Old GNR or New GNR?

[crackdaddy]

HOW IS THIS CONSIDERED NEWS WORTHY. BUT THE G N R PERFORMANCE BEING CUT OUT OF TV SHOW ISN'T?

HOW IS, DO I LIKE OLD OR NEW G N R BETTER, NEWS AT ALL?

[Randy Jesus]

It is like this, Old GNR is like Rambo: First Blood and New GNR is like the Expendables.

[Peaches]

  yeah, juss like that.

[Exitus]

It is like this, Old GNR is like Rambo: First Blood and New GNR is like the Expendables.

Ha ha, that's a really funny, but good comparison! 

[Bruno Poeys]

I never would have contributed to this thread if it weren't for (...)

Yea, that's possibly the biggest load of crap I've ever heard (I mean, those two posters' posts).

Now I'll not take shots at anyone, just thinking out loud...

It's funny how blind fans of the old band always come up with some excuse or theories as to why the new band can't be as good to some as the old band was/is to them. They're mostly ignorant pricks that, just like you said, equal quality to quantity. Their aguments would fit a Britney vs Gaga discussion, but not a rock n' roll discussion.
What if guys like Buckethead and Bumblefoot made much more impact on me than Slash and his older bluesy Joe Perry-like style did? What if I like Axl's voice (and overall attitude, musicality, etc) post-94 era better than pre-93 era? To me it's all about the new band, simply put. As much as I like(d) the old band and their songs, I would not follow them if there ever was a reunion - happily Axl wont do that. I seriously would not be interested in watching the old guys play the songs the exact same way they were playing them 20 plus years ago. Sorry, that's not for me. I wouldn't be interested in yet another Aerosmith/Zep-like album, just like I was not interested in Black Ice. Sure, the mainstream audience would like it, but it is the same mainstream that made Bieber bigger than Guns nowadays - I mean record sales, bigger audience, etc. I'm not stuck in the past and I'll always look forward, not backwards. I'll always listen to guys like Bumblefoot, Buckethead, Govan etc that are constantly pushing the guitar (and overall musicianship) limits instead of listening to guys re-using the same old rock clichés and using known rock icons to sell their albums.
Quality will always beat quantity (popularity) in my books and for that I'd take "Shackler's Revenge" instead of "You're a Lie". I mean, take a closer look to the solos. One is an average rock generic solo that goes nowhere (with some cool/good moments, not denying that), other is an inventive half fretless/half fretted solo with really inventive playing that has  distinct start, middle and ending. You may like the first one better, but the other is where guitar playing is at to me - new (great) ideas, (very) accurate playing, inventive ways to split the solo while still being really tasteful. Keep in mind that it's MY OWN FUCKING OPINION whether you like or support it or not.

So yes, new Guns all the way. They're here to those who like, those who don't simply don't follow and get the fuck out of here. That's pretty simple.

(Not taking anything away from the older guys, obviously not. I just happen to like the new music way better... even if YOU dont like it)

[Johan!]

Indeed. Some posters feel that their opinion is fact and throw aside every reasonable argument why other people don't agree with them.

[fan]

Slipdisc owns this thread. Epic. 

Supporting the new does not exclude the old and vice versa. When will people finally understand that?

And the magic some were referring to. Exactly, it was magic. A certain moment in time when they were young, angry and hungry... Like a mean machine rolling down the streets. That same magic would be impossible to replicate nowadays.

And it's interesting, as Slipdisc pointed out, he never took anything away from old Guns and their music (which to me is the best music ever recorded) while ''the other side'' always needs to belittle the efforts of new GN'R to support their one-sided interpretation.

I agree that the original band will always be better than anything the future has to offer. But it's gone, pure and simple. Claiming the other guys still ''have it'' is a load of bollocks. Those guys gathered in the streets of LA made Guns N' Roses, everyone agrees on that. But now it's a different time, different people, different approach, evolution of sound if you will. Open your eyes and ears and you might like it. If not, that's cool. And Chinese Democracy is a Guns N' Roses record, just like there were AC/DC records after Bon Scott, Van Halen records after Lee Roth, Deep Purple records after Gillan or Blackmore, Pink Floyd records after Barrett and Waters and the list goes on.

[GnFnRosesfan#1]

The division of old vs new needs to end. I dont recall axl, slash, duff, or any current or former member saying that the fans have to pick a side and argue the other side untill they are beat into submission. Everyone has the right to like or dislike whomever they choose, but they do not have the right to belittle the other side. Frankly that is the attitude of ignorance. Change is bad, change is scary, me no like change, me be bully now!!!

[Nocturnalfetish]

Axl Rose solo project ?  Really?  Notice that everyone who bashes the non original lineup has Slash as their avatar.  The original line up is to me classic GNR.  It was to me the best album ever in a time of crap.  But I personally love Oh My God and CD.  I have no issues with who is playing the music, as long as I like it.  And as i have stated before, to me AXL is GNR.  You can have any good group of musicians play the music with AXL, but if you have the original line up play minus AXL, you get the crap @ the HOF 

[ChineseDemocrat1989]

Alright anyone here who said "i know music, and THAT'S why i know the old gnr is better" or anything along those lines is a fucking moron lol. I also "know" music, in fact, went to school for music composition and recording. I enjoy all of it but overall talent i give it to new GNR. Slash IS in fact the most overrated guitar player ever, he's good, nothing more. The layering and complexities musically and in the production aspects as well in Chinese Democracy makes everything slash and the boys have done post GNR look like child's play. Chart success means nothing. If you submit to the idea that it does than you would agree that Justin Bieber is better than GNR. Dont be stupid.

[Iconic Shawn]

Alright anyone here who said "i know music, and THAT'S why i know the old gnr is better" or anything along those lines is a fucking moron lol. I also "know" music, in fact, went to school for music composition and recording. I enjoy all of it but overall talent i give it to new GNR. Slash IS in fact the most overrated guitar player ever, he's good, nothing more. The layering and complexities musically and in the production aspects as well in Chinese Democracy makes everything slash and the boys have done post GNR look like child's play. Chart success means nothing. If you submit to the idea that it does than you would agree that Justin Bieber is better than GNR. Dont be stupid.

This is BS.  Just saying.

Complexity beats the feel of the music?

Isn't music, at its core, supposed to move people?

AFD and that band made music that moved and touched people all over the world, BIG TIME.

CD.. well, flopped and gets praised by Axl Rose fans ONLY and ONLY on these forums. Everywhere else its either seen as a joke, the slap in the face to the "real" GnR, decent at best.

I'm sure Axl was happy that he got whatever sounds he wanted out but don't pass that studio polished album as amazing.

Music is supposed to move people.

The only thing CD moved was GnR legacy back a few notches.

~S~

[Iconic Shawn]

Ahh.. and about Slash being over rated? How so? Who says Slash is the greatest technical guitar player?

Us Slash fans like how his playing sounds as well as the direction his guitar playing takes.

Also.. the dude played melodies and parts on songs even my grandmother calls beautiful and memorable. His MUCIC, not skills, are what we like. Though his skills are quite nasty 

~S~

[antonyrose]

Alright anyone here who said "i know music, and THAT'S why i know the old gnr is better" or anything along those lines is a fucking moron lol. I also "know" music, in fact, went to school for music composition and recording. I enjoy all of it but overall talent i give it to new GNR. Slash IS in fact the most overrated guitar player ever, he's good, nothing more. The layering and complexities musically and in the production aspects as well in Chinese Democracy makes everything slash and the boys have done post GNR look like child's play. Chart success means nothing. If you submit to the idea that it does than you would agree that Justin Bieber is better than GNR. Dont be stupid.

You can take all the music therory classes and lessons all that jive all you want, and you can be aTECHNICALLY sound player. But, that does not mean you can write a song that will last the ages, and it does not mean you can write a good song period. Yes CD is a melting pot of complex guitar riffs and overdubs and pro tool yada yada.. That doesn't make a outstanding record. Black Sabbath recorded, mixed and mastered their first album in like 2 days and IMO is one of the greatest albums ever. So your argument about how technically proficent these new players are holds no weight..  You should not have to overthink music,maybe overfeel, sometimes simplicity can go a long way, and thats not to say AFD UYI 1 and 2 were simple in any way.. 

[mattD]

CD.. well, flopped and gets praised by Axl Rose fans ONLY and ONLY on these forums

Music is supposed to move people.

So because CD didn't move you, it didn't move anyone?

The impact music has on someone or the feeling it has, is a very subjective thing. You can't measure the feeling of music. People experience music in different ways and music impacts people in different ways. That's the cool thing about it. What you classify as feeling, isn't necessarily true for someone else.

I don't think every single Axl Rose fan in the world (or all the people who praise CD) is (are) on a forum like this one. Besides, you make it look like everyone who happens to like CD is not a Guns N' Roses fan but an Axl Rose fan.

[antonyrose]

So because CD didn't move you, it didn't move anyone?

The impact music has on someone or the feeling it has, is a very subjective thing. You can't measure the feeling of music. People experience music in different ways and music impacts people in different ways. That's the cool thing about it. What you classify as feeling, isn't necessarily true for someone else.

I don't think every single Axl Rose fan in the world (or all the people who praise CD) is (are) on a forum like this one. Besides, you make it look like everyone who happens to like CD is not a Guns N' Roses fan but an Axl Rose fan.

I'm sure his point was we have never heard a positive comment about CD, except on these forums. And I can agree with that.  I can't tell you how many times i've had to say "Chinese Democracy is not that bad."