Old GNR or New GNR?

[Iconic Shawn]

Both.  No its not a cop out.  I love both lineups.

What a damn copout... 

~S~

[crash_diet]

Back in MY day, Guns N' Roses WERE Rock n Roll!

haha.. what a great discussion this is which gives the fans of both versions of the band a chance to come together and discuss / debate about all kinds of comparisons!

Axl fears the reunion because it would shine light (IMO) on the smoke and mirrors b(r)and he has on stage these days.

The new b(r)and though are a bunch of great musicians who I think are perfect for this in that they have no will, say, control, or pretty much any responsabilities aside showing up whenever the boss tells them to and playing things that sound pleasing to the bosses ear.

TSI.. stand aside and let us who would enjoy a healthy debate, enjoy it.

"Noooooo! I don't want you guys discussing _________!!!!!!" 

WTF is there to talk about in regards to this brand? Fucking ticket sales and how much money they're making now?

You wanna talk about the next album, Santa and the Easter Bunny? 

You want us to talk about how great Axl is and how "This I Love" makes us cry when we listen to it alone?

How Axl is so BAD ASS and the last "Rockstar" because he has enough money now to say "fuck you" to anyone and would still have an army under him saying he's perfect?

Dude.. start a thread. I'm VERY interested in what you might wish us to discuss oh wise Mr. Moderator.

~S~

Great fucking post.

Anways, the AFD lineup followed by the UYI lineup. Followed by OMG lineup. Then RIR3 lineup, and then 06 lineup. Basically its gotten worse as time went on. In the late 90s Axl had a great group of musicians and thats how we got CD. Now he has guys that can play the tunes and go on tour whenever axl wants. Axl doesnt have the same drive and enthusiasm as he did in the late 90s early 00s. So gnr 2012 is wat were left with. Dont get me wrong, Ill see them when they come around, because I love axl, I just dont see the creativness I saw in 2002. Its like his vision has slowly been comprmised, and he just needs these new guys to tour so he can keep up his lavish lifestyle.Then u have dudes like Izzy and Steven who just want to play rock n roll without all the bullshit.

[kukol]

Old lineup. The new guns( any lineup) has make a good album,but after 10 years and a few tours,the same hope came again and again.REUNION.Its not possible to reach the succes of the old lineup,and CD is at least good album,but not even close to AFD or Illusions.

[Faxl]

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[snakepipero]

Guns n' Roses vs Axl's solo band? let me take a coffee and think about it 

[trakilaki]

I chose Guns N' Roses ... old or new ... does not matter
.... and  I don't need coffee to think about it 

[jplpool]

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This, but I fell in love with the old band, and that's that.

[The Catcher]

I think it would be cool if they all went on a giant tour together and rotated people depending on the song. gnr

[Munster]

Definitely the original line up. Personally I'll never understand how someone can call himself or herself a Gn'R fan by stating that the new band is Gn'R. There are 3 books out there meanwhile (Slash, Duff, Steven), describing the Gn'R history from different points of view but at first hand and one thing is crystal clear: what Gn'R made that big and where the magic was coming from was the original line up: from Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy & Steven. Chinese Democracy surely isn't a bad record but it has almost nothing from the magic, the soul & the groove AFD has.
Sorry, but people stating that Chinese Democracy is a Gn'R record can't be very much into music or must be living in a weird world like Axl himself. I always wonder what kind of "fans" these people are, who obviously haven't understood the band Gn'R at all.
Chinese Democracy is a Axl Rose project. Velvet Revolver, yeah even Duff McKagen's Loaded or Izzy's solo project have released songs which have more soul than what is on CD. That's what music is about: soul and not how clean and expensive it is produced or how technical skilled the band members are. The Velvet Revolver records also were more successful than CD - that says everything.

[antonyrose]

Definitely the original line up. Personally I'll never understand how someone can call himself or herself a Gn'R fan by stating that the new band is Gn'R. There are 3 books out there meanwhile (Slash, Duff, Steven), describing the Gn'R history from different points of view but at first hand and one thing is crystal clear: what Gn'R made that big and where the magic was coming from was the original line up: from Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy & Steven. Chinese Democracy surely isn't a bad record but it has almost nothing from the magic, the soul & the groove AFD has.
Sorry, but people stating that Chinese Democracy is a Gn'R record can't be very much into music or must be living in a weird world like Axl himself. I always wonder what kind of "fans" these people are, who obviously haven't understood the band Gn'R at all.
Chinese Democracy is a Axl Rose project. Velvet Revolver, yeah even Duff McKagen's Loaded or Izzy's solo project have released songs which have more soul than what is on CD. That's what music is about: soul and not how clean and expensive it is produced or how technical skilled the band members are. The Velvet Revolver records also were more successful than CD - that says everything.

What they said.

[Slipdisc]

Definitely the original line up. Personally I'll never understand how someone can call himself or herself a Gn'R fan by stating that the new band is Gn'R. There are 3 books out there meanwhile (Slash, Duff, Steven), describing the Gn'R history from different points of view but at first hand and one thing is crystal clear: what Gn'R made that big and where the magic was coming from was the original line up: from Axl, Slash, Duff, Izzy & Steven. Chinese Democracy surely isn't a bad record but it has almost nothing from the magic, the soul & the groove AFD has.
Sorry, but people stating that Chinese Democracy is a Gn'R record can't be very much into music or must be living in a weird world like Axl himself. I always wonder what kind of "fans" these people are, who obviously haven't understood the band Gn'R at all.
Chinese Democracy is a Axl Rose project. Velvet Revolver, yeah even Duff McKagen's Loaded or Izzy's solo project have released songs which have more soul than what is on CD. That's what music is about: soul and not how clean and expensive it is produced or how technical skilled the band members are. The Velvet Revolver records also were more successful than CD - that says everything.

You can only qualify whether or not you like it, whether it influences you or not. However, to question “feel” or to assert “soul” into the structure of musicianship is haughty and means absolutely nothing; for feeling is a subjective internal concept. What qualifies feel? What specific choices in terms of rhythms, dynamics, harmonics, melodies and theory manipulation depict “feel” in music?

Your post is nothing more than an egocentric and condescending attempt at objectifying your "taste" in music and personal "truth". Furthermore, you state “popularity” as equivalent to “quality”, within the context of an aural art, which to me is the pinnacle of rhetorical poverty and encyclopaedic ignorance. Have your own preferences as much as you like. However don’t try to portray the contrast they set to other people’s preferences as some sort of shortcoming on their part...

-PEACE-

P.s. The "old" for starting it, the "new" for keeping it going....

[Iconic Shawn]

 

Nice Boys AND overly scientific ass mother fuckers.. don't play Rock N Roll and can not be expected to understand it, or what soul is. How the hell does one approach AFD and try to come up with some melodic formula for it?

Slipdisc, you're a smart dude but as for as what we're talking about, ignorant as bricks my man.

~S~

[Slipdisc]

Nice Boys AND overly scientific ass mother fuckers.. don't play Rock N Roll and can not be expected to understand it, or what soul is. How the hell does one approach AFD and try to come up with some melodic formula for it?

Slipdisc, you're a smart dude but as for as what we're talking about, ignorant as bricks my man.

~S~

That's so profound...my man

Back your statements up with some solid arguments. As far as I'm concerned I just see two nostalgically challenged sticking up for each other, by ruminating each other's unfounded BS. Who said anything about a formula? Why don't you and mr. Ultimate Reference (Munster) here tell me the formula? After all, its you two who feel confident enough, about your grasp of the concept "soul", to abuse it to look down on others? Not me. Again (!), Please elaborate what "soul" in music exactly is? Nothing should be easier than to explain something that's clear and unquestionable to an extend that it's fine to downsize others with it.

Explain why we all should adopt you and your buddy's personal definitions and criteria as absolute truths, in a totally subjective context? Why it is permitted for mr. Ultimate Reference to disqualify people and their taste in (and understanding of) music (or GNR), based on their views on CD? Notice how I not once said something (bad nor good) about AFD, yet you somehow feel a need to question what that albums means to me or my ability to understand it. Creating the illusion of responding to something I introduced to this discussion. Is it you modus operandi to create artificial points, out of the blue, to somehow force a discussion into a direction you can actually manage yourself in?

Go ahead focus some more on my (scientific?) style and other secondary bullshit (maybe the length of my posts?). Introduce a couple more offtopic points and respond to them yourself. Lace them with another dozen "weasel words". Objectify your personal worldview further and write us the ultimate "for dummies" guide, oh great anonymous authorities. From here you two look about as laughable as two colorblind preaching why red is a better color than blue. No matter how hard you try, there are no absolute truths in music, soul will always be a subjective internal concept and popularity isn't equivalent to quality. I have no desire to write an essay on my personal taste. I never would have contributed to this thread if it weren't for:

it has almost nothing from the magic, the soul & the groove AFD has.
Sorry, but people stating that Chinese Democracy is a Gn'R record can't be very much into music or must be living in a weird world like Axl himself. I always wonder what kind of "fans" these people are, who obviously haven't understood the band Gn'R at all.The Velvet Revolver records also were more successful than CD - that says everything.

The burden of proof lies with the accuser(s)...

-PEACE-

[antonyrose]

That's so profound...my man

Back your statements up with some solid arguments. As far as I'm concerned I just see two nostalgically challenged sticking up for each other, by ruminating each other's unfounded BS. Who said anything about a formula? Why don't you and mr. Ultimate Reference (Munster) here tell me the formula? After all, its you two who feel confident enough, about your grasp of the concept "soul", to abuse it to look down on others? Not me. Again (!), Please elaborate what "soul" in music exactly is? Nothing should be easier than to explain something that's clear and unquestionable to an extend that it's fine to downsize others with it.

Explain why we all should adopt you and your buddy's personal definitions and criteria as absolute truths, in a totally subjective context? Why it is permitted for mr. Ultimate Reference to disqualify people and their taste in (and understanding of) music (or GNR), based on their views on CD? Notice how I not once said something (bad nor good) about AFD, yet you somehow feel a need to question what that albums means to me or my ability to understand it. Creating the illusion of responding to something I introduced to this discussion. Is it you modus operandi to create artificial points, out of the blue, to somehow force a discussion into a direction you can actually manage yourself in?

Go ahead focus some more on my (scientific?) style and other secondary bullshit (maybe the length of my posts?). Introduce a couple more offtopic points and respond to them yourself. Lace them with another dozen "weasel words". Objectify your personal worldview further and write us the ultimate "for dummies" guide, oh great anonymous authorities. From here you two look about as laughable as two colorblind preaching why red is a better color than blue. No matter how hard you try, there are no absolute truths in music, soul will always be a subjective internal concept and popularity isn't equivalent to quality. I have no desire to write an essay on my personal taste. I never would have contributed to this thread if it weren't for:

The burden of proof lies with the accuser(s)...

-PEACE-

Why don't you tell us how you really feel.... 

[Iconic Shawn]

That's so profound...my man

Back your statements up with some solid arguments. As far as I'm concerned I just see two nostalgically challenged sticking up for each other, by ruminating each other's unfounded BS. Who said anything about a formula? Why don't you and mr. Ultimate Reference (Munster) here tell me the formula? After all, its you two who feel confident enough, about your grasp of the concept "soul", to abuse it to look down on others? Not me. Again (!), Please elaborate what "soul" in music exactly is? Nothing should be easier than to explain something that's clear and unquestionable to an extend that it's fine to downsize others with it.

Explain why we all should adopt you and your buddy's personal definitions and criteria as absolute truths, in a totally subjective context? Why it is permitted for mr. Ultimate Reference to disqualify people and their taste in (and understanding of) music (or GNR), based on their views on CD? Notice how I not once said something (bad nor good) about AFD, yet you somehow feel a need to question what that albums means to me or my ability to understand it. Creating the illusion of responding to something I introduced to this discussion. Is it you modus operandi to create artificial points, out of the blue, to somehow force a discussion into a direction you can actually manage yourself in?

Go ahead focus some more on my (scientific?) style and other secondary bullshit (maybe the length of my posts?). Introduce a couple more offtopic points and respond to them yourself. Lace them with another dozen "weasel words". Objectify your personal worldview further and write us the ultimate "for dummies" guide, oh great anonymous authorities. From here you two look about as laughable as two colorblind preaching why red is a better color than blue. No matter how hard you try, there are no absolute truths in music, soul will always be a subjective internal concept and popularity isn't equivalent to quality. I have no desire to write an essay on my personal taste. I never would have contributed to this thread if it weren't for:

The burden of proof lies with the accuser(s)...

-PEACE-

Nah my man, its cool. I'll leave you to enjoy music as you do and I'll enjoy it and know it as I do.

Soul can't be explained. Just like I don't cum when I heard CD and don't shed tears or get blown away by the "deepness" of 'This I Love'.

When I met Antonyrose a few years back we heard the music together, looked at each other and simply nodded with huge grins on our faces and drinks raised.

Its just something some if not MOST of us felt from the old band who are still fans of that version of said band.

Its like magic! And I don't expect such a sophisticated, well learned scholar like yourself to believe in magic, at all.

~S~