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Re: STEVEN ADLER ON AXL NOT SHOWING UP AT HOF
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2012, 01:16:55 PM »
It is unfortunate that wasn't in their interest also.

Maybe. Perhaps they don't want to bury the past, or at least Axl doesn't. It's hard to blame him for that. Marc Canter named the same reasons I've always believed are the main issue between Axl and Slash.

I respect that. But what's the purpose of belitling the current band? I guess this new musical approach turned you away from GN'R and that can be understandable. But why the hate?

Were you expecting a reunion or anything at all before this RNRHF drama?


PS - I wanted to post this and then I saw SoulMonster also split your post into parahraphs.  :lol:


Check it out my man.. to me its like this..

What drew me to "Guns N' Roses" was the life these guys were living + the type of music they played.
I like hard, sleezy rock n roll. I love Axl's "ripping" voice and Slash's dirty guitar work. The rest of the band was magic as well. They seemed to blend instead of just play parts together.

I have kids now.

What bothers me most is that though my kids have heard and LOVE Guns music they will never experience what I consider to be a pure rock n roll band. Authentic.

I also feel bad for the world not having a band like that on top anymore. Maybe it shouldn't bother me as much but it does, especially knowing all the dudes are alive.

I'm also not saying if they were to get back together they'd start living it up with the drugs and shit, but at least I could show them, or anyone in the world can see THEM and say "these guys did it all, made it, and STILL kick ass".

I was watching the Osaka show from what.. 2011? last night and shit dude, as much as I want to like what I see it really comes off as weak compared to the older shows.

They sound AMAZING mind you (the new guys), but just something about this band seems way too polished in contrast to what was sold to me as Guns N' Roses before.

I swear if the name wasn't GnR I wouldn't care at all but they are like a Harley Davidson you have to peddle.

Just not right.

And thats that dude. I don't hate the new stuff (cept that the songs seem a bit pussy'ish).

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Re: STEVEN ADLER ON AXL NOT SHOWING UP AT HOF
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2012, 01:25:58 PM »
^The last Osaka show was in 2009.

I totally agree with you, IS!
If an album comes out, then buy it. If there's a concert you can go to, then go to it. You're not owed another record. You're not owed any inside stories. You're not owed the band to be managed by people you approve. It's just electronically recorded vibrations that you happen to like.

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Re: STEVEN ADLER ON AXL NOT SHOWING UP AT HOF
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2012, 02:49:29 PM »

Check it out my man.. to me its like this..

What drew me to "Guns N' Roses" was the life these guys were living + the type of music they played.
I like hard, sleezy rock n roll. I love Axl's "ripping" voice and Slash's dirty guitar work. The rest of the band was magic as well. They seemed to blend instead of just play parts together.

I have kids now.

What bothers me most is that though my kids have heard and LOVE Guns music they will never experience what I consider to be a pure rock n roll band. Authentic.

I also feel bad for the world not having a band like that on top anymore. Maybe it shouldn't bother me as much but it does, especially knowing all the dudes are alive.

I'm also not saying if they were to get back together they'd start living it up with the drugs and shit, but at least I could show them, or anyone in the world can see THEM and say "these guys did it all, made it, and STILL kick ass".

I was watching the Osaka show from what.. 2011? last night and shit dude, as much as I want to like what I see it really comes off as weak compared to the older shows.

They sound AMAZING mind you (the new guys), but just something about this band seems way too polished in contrast to what was sold to me as Guns N' Roses before.

I swear if the name wasn't GnR I wouldn't care at all but they are like a Harley Davidson you have to peddle.

Just not right.

And thats that dude. I don't hate the new stuff (cept that the songs seem a bit pussy'ish).

~S~

And you think a reunion would bring the old good magic back?

I'm sorry, but that's not the way it works :(  What made GNR so special was not just the 5 guys together, it was, as you say, the lives they were living back then, they were basically a bunch of sleazy bums who made music from their hearts based on their life experiences and what was their conception of reality back then. It's not just the people, it's also their age, their demons, what they were going through at the time... and that you can't bring back.

So, yeah, the music scene back then in the late '80s/early '90s was fucking amazing (except for that whole glam piece of crap LOL), specially in LA, with GNR, RHCP, Jane's Addiction, etc. And what was going on in Seattle was beautiful and amazing too. But today it's kinda hard to find that energy. Everyone is TOO sober and living TOO comfortable lives, kids living with their parents, taking music lessons that mommy and daddy pay for... and don't get me wrong, I'm happy those kids are having "normal" lives with loving families instead of being out on the streets selling/doing dope after running away from a violent environment at home... but the way I see it, art is not just skill, it's mostly expression, and that sensibility is acquired mostly through tough life experiences or by experiencing different states of consciousness... not something we find easily today.

My favourite albums were not recorded with the idea of making millions and becoming rockstars, at the time, they actually didn't give a FUCK, they just wanted to make the music they wanted and getting away with it, not caring if the label douchebags would approve. Today? Well, today everyone wants to be famous and popular and have 10 million hits on youtube and record their pussy goodie-goodie songs to please crowds instead of doing it as a therapy to heal wounds or just for the sake of expression.



When I'm asked what bands would I like to see back together, my answer is NONE. Seeing Led Zep, Pink Floyd, old GNR, Jane's Addiction, The Doors, Nirvana, etc. today wouldn't be the same. I'd rather go back in time and see them when they were not just together, but when they actually had that strong energy pulling them together.

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Re: STEVEN ADLER ON AXL NOT SHOWING UP AT HOF
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 04:22:51 PM »
When I'm asked what bands would I like to see back together, my answer is NONE. Seeing Led Zep, Pink Floyd, old GNR, Jane's Addiction, The Doors, Nirvana, etc. today wouldn't be the same. I'd rather go back in time and see them when they were not just together, but when they actually had that strong energy pulling them together.
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Exactly. What I would like to see live, more than anything else, is the next big thing.

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« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 04:35:27 PM »
And you think a reunion would bring the old good magic back?

I'm sorry, but that's not the way it works :(  What made GNR so special was not just the 5 guys together, it was, as you say, the lives they were living back then, they were basically a bunch of sleazy bums who made music from their hearts based on their life experiences and what was their conception of reality back then. It's not just the people, it's also their age, their demons, what they were going through at the time... and that you can't bring back.

So, yeah, the music scene back then in the late '80s/early '90s was fucking amazing (except for that whole glam piece of crap LOL), specially in LA, with GNR, RHCP, Jane's Addiction, etc. And what was going on in Seattle was beautiful and amazing too. But today it's kinda hard to find that energy. Everyone is TOO sober and living TOO comfortable lives, kids living with their parents, taking music lessons that mommy and daddy pay for... and don't get me wrong, I'm happy those kids are having "normal" lives with loving families instead of being out on the streets selling/doing dope after running away from a violent environment at home... but the way I see it, art is not just skill, it's mostly expression, and that sensibility is acquired mostly through tough life experiences or by experiencing different states of consciousness... not something we find easily today.

My favourite albums were not recorded with the idea of making millions and becoming rockstars, at the time, they actually didn't give a FUCK, they just wanted to make the music they wanted and getting away with it, not caring if the label douchebags would approve. Today? Well, today everyone wants to be famous and popular and have 10 million hits on youtube and record their pussy goodie-goodie songs to please crowds instead of doing it as a therapy to heal wounds or just for the sake of expression.



When I'm asked what bands would I like to see back together, my answer is NONE. Seeing Led Zep, Pink Floyd, old GNR, Jane's Addiction, The Doors, Nirvana, etc. today wouldn't be the same. I'd rather go back in time and see them when they were not just together, but when they actually had that strong energy pulling them together.

Hey dude I totally agree with you in that it would not be the same, but THEY would have been the same.
It might not make sense to you and thats cool.

I never really expected a full on reunion.. time has past that band by, but like I've said, at least one last hurrah and one last show to the world what 5 dudes who didn't give a fuck (like you said) made it. Maybe it could inspire more street talent instead of the studio bands out there now.

SoulMonster said he's waiting for the "next big thing"..  my fear is that the next big thing will never be anything legit and real. Fucking Killers?

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Re: STEVEN ADLER ON AXL NOT SHOWING UP AT HOF
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2012, 05:26:36 PM »
SoulMonster said he's waiting for the "next big thing"..  my fear is that the next big thing will never be anything legit and real. Fucking Killers?

I don't care about "legit" or "real" or "genres", only about good music, and we will never stop making good music.

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« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2012, 05:34:14 PM »
I don't care about "legit" or "real" or "genres", only about good music, and we will never stop making good music.

Who's "we"?

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Re: STEVEN ADLER ON AXL NOT SHOWING UP AT HOF
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2012, 09:26:12 PM »
Whatever the question, "OMG I'm so excited about my new band, they're real musicians, etc.". :lol:

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Re: STEVEN ADLER ON AXL NOT SHOWING UP AT HOF
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« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2012, 01:03:02 PM »
The human species.

Sure Elton John, Axl Rose and others will always put beautiful musical arrangements, but I was talking about authentic rock n roll.

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Re: STEVEN ADLER ON AXL NOT SHOWING UP AT HOF
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2012, 01:08:43 PM »
Sounds like you already didn't like the Illusions..

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« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2012, 01:28:56 PM »
Sure Elton John, Axl Rose and others will always put beautiful musical arrangements, but I was talking about authentic rock n roll.

Authentic rock and roll might be dead, but other genres will take up the torch and deliver great music that becomes soundstracks to kids lives in the future. It just can't be stopped as long as humans enjoy music and enjoy playing instruments. If we worry to much about whether 'rock' is dead, rather than focus on having a youthful and receptive attitude towards new music, we prevent ourselves from enjoying great, new music and genres in the future, and we ultimately take another step towards that stagnant and dreadful state of mind called "old".

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Re: STEVEN ADLER ON AXL NOT SHOWING UP AT HOF
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2012, 02:18:34 PM »
@soulmonster:  :thumbsup:

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« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2012, 03:01:39 PM »
Authentic rock and roll might be dead, but other genres will take up the torch and deliver great music that becomes soundstracks to kids lives in the future. It just can't be stopped as long as humans enjoy music and enjoy playing instruments. If we worry to much about whether 'rock' is dead, rather than focus on having a youthful and receptive attitude towards new music, we prevent ourselves from enjoying great, new music and genres in the future, and we ultimately take another step towards that stagnant and dreadful state of mind called "old".

You're right in that I can just drop my affection for RnR and find all kinds of joy in showtunes, dubstep and Lady GAGA, but no thanks dude.

I can drop steak and only eat tofu too... but that sucks.

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Re: STEVEN ADLER ON AXL NOT SHOWING UP AT HOF
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2012, 04:11:49 PM »
You're right in that I can just drop my affection for RnR and find all kinds of joy in showtunes, dubstep and Lady GAGA, but no thanks dude.

I can drop steak and only eat tofu too... but that sucks.

The problem with your analogy is that while rock might be dead (which I don't believe it is), steaks definitely aren't. I am certain that if all animals were dead you would not stubbornly refuse to go vegetarian, like what you are doing now in regards to fresh and relevant music.