Author Topic: Hard rock vs heavy metal (Read 1361 times)

GnFnRosesfan#1 · « **on:** January 17, 2012, 03:42:07 PM »

On one side we have gnr zeppelin, acdc, aerosmith, van halen, pink floyd, hendrix, all "hair" bands

On the other sid we have metallica, sabbath, iron maiden, judas priest, motor head, megadeath, anthrax

Omce and for all lets decide which genre of rock n roll is greater

GnFnRosesfan#1 · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2012, 03:44:38 PM »

Its a no brainer for me, hard rock all day long.

Kusksu · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2012, 05:20:18 PM »

Meh genres dont do much for me.

For example i love Guns N' Roses but i have never been able to get into Zeppelin, and i enjoy metallica and megadeth but cant stand slayer and anthrax.

Ohh and if i had to choice, progressive rock FTW

jplpool · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2012, 05:39:02 PM »

Quote from: GnFnRosesfan#1 on January 17, 2012, 03:42:07 PM

On one side we have gnr zeppelin, acdc, aerosmith, van halen, pink floyd, hendrix, all "hair" bands

On the other sid we have metallica, sabbath, iron maiden, judas priest, motor head, megadeath, anthrax

Omce and for all lets decide which genre of rock n roll is greater

Pink Floyd are not 'hard rock.'

Quote from: Kusksu on January 17, 2012, 05:20:18 PM

i have never been able to get into Zeppelin,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignitas_%28assisted_dying_organisation%29

Kusksu · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2012, 05:43:44 PM »

Quote from: jplpool on January 17, 2012, 05:39:02 PM

Pink Floyd are not 'hard rock.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignitas_%28assisted_dying_organisation%29

Well that's at least an original response

GnFnRosesfan#1 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2012, 07:39:04 PM »

Ya you are right, technically they arnt hard rock. My bad.

B.I.T.C.H · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2012, 08:12:37 PM »

Don't agree completely with your classification of rock and metalz (Lemmy does have songs that are definitely Rock for example) but I agree that rock rocks much more than metalz.

The Second Coming · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:24:38 PM »

Cheesy 80s pop

better2112 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 18, 2012, 05:01:30 AM »

HEAVY METAL

chezequerz · « **Reply #9 on:** January 18, 2012, 06:10:13 AM »

Metal and Rock are both terms that means very little other than "uses distortion and has long hair" to be honest. It's only when you elaborate further on that description that you can genuinely label it so saying Heavy Metal could mean anything from The Man-Eating Tree to Cannibal Corpse...those bands have literally nothing in common and both can be called "heavy metal".

and since Rock hasn't been quite so much about influential sub genres as much as influential bands with nothing in common it's even trickier.

abaraxas · « **Reply #10 on:** January 18, 2012, 09:13:11 AM »

Hard rock.

i like hot or brutal guitar playing or drumming etc etc but "metal" generally sucks cock IMO.

Sabbath, Zeppelin, Alice Cooper, Bowie, Stones.

Hard rock wins.

abaraxas · « **Reply #11 on:** January 18, 2012, 09:25:32 AM »

Hang on, just noticed you lumped Sabbath in with metal

Black Sabbath are hands down my favourite band of all time, and they are fucking hard rock

GnFnRosesfan#1 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 18, 2012, 04:08:13 PM »

Well sabbath are considered the creators of heavy metal, so they have to be aprt of that genre.

And as far as classification goes hard rock is closer to the blues while metal is more of its own thing.

jplpool · « **Reply #13 on:** January 18, 2012, 04:16:25 PM »

Quote from: GnFnRosesfan#1 on January 18, 2012, 04:08:13 PM

Well sabbath are considered the creators of heavy metal, so they have to be aprt of that genre.

Nah, Abo is right. I think this is an actual quote from Sabbath, but I've also seen abo using this description.

Quote

We were just hippies who liked to play loud

GnFnRosesfan#1 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 18, 2012, 05:27:07 PM »

They might not consider themselves as heavy metal, bit every metal band to come along said they influenced them. And ive seen multiple documentaries where they said the first sabbath album was the first heavy metal album.

GnFnRosesfan#1 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 18, 2012, 05:27:48 PM »

Geez, alwaus nit picking!!!

The Spaghetti Incident? · « **Reply #16 on:** January 18, 2012, 11:40:25 PM »

Quote from: GnFnRosesfan#1 on January 17, 2012, 03:42:07 PM

On one side we have gnr zeppelin, acdc, aerosmith, van halen, pink floyd, hendrix, all "hair" bands

On the other sid we have metallica, sabbath, iron maiden, judas priest, motor head, megadeath, anthrax

Omce and for all lets decide which genre of rock n roll is greater

Fucking what!? Hair bands!? Because they had hair?

You could argue G&R were hair, glam, gay, whatever... But the rest? Holy fuck.

GnFnRosesfan#1 · « **Reply #17 on:** January 19, 2012, 01:13:22 AM »

And your point is?

The Spaghetti Incident? · « **Reply #18 on:** January 19, 2012, 03:41:29 AM »

My point is you insulted legendary rock bands. Repent. Here's your choice first born daughter or banned.

jplpool · « **Reply #19 on:** January 19, 2012, 04:16:44 AM »

GnFnRosesfan#1 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 19, 2012, 04:21:23 AM »

Ban me? For what? Ive been coming here longer than you have.

jplpool · « **Reply #21 on:** January 19, 2012, 04:30:07 AM »

Quote from: GnFnRosesfan#1 on January 19, 2012, 04:21:23 AM

Ive been coming here longer than you have.

Good for you.

Lighten up ya tool.

GnFnRosesfan#1 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 19, 2012, 04:42:56 AM »

Chill jp, I wasnt even talking to you.

The Second Coming · « **Reply #23 on:** January 19, 2012, 05:02:07 AM »

I find this hilarious

chezequerz · « **Reply #24 on:** January 19, 2012, 05:40:01 AM »

Quote from: GnFnRosesfan#1 on January 18, 2012, 04:08:13 PM

And as far as classification goes hard rock is closer to the blues while metal is more of its own thing.

A lot of songs in metal are fairly close to blues to be honest.

Quote from: jplpool on January 18, 2012, 04:16:25 PM

Nah, Abo is right. I think this is an actual quote from Sabbath, but I've also seen abo using this description.

Actually Sabbath are considered the first metal band, the term heavy metal was started when it was given to them by a journalist who saw them live and said "the music hits you like a wall of heavy metal".

Quote from: The Spaghetti Incident? on January 18, 2012, 11:40:25 PM

Fucking what!? Hair bands!? Because they had hair?

You could argue G&R were hair, glam, gay, whatever... But the rest? Holy fuck.

you could argue that Aerosmith and in particular Van Halen had eras that could be interpreted as hair metal but i do agree in most people definitions none of these bands even GnR would be hair metal. And frankly "hair metal" is such a shitty term it refers to none of the musical elements of the songs but diverts attention to the image instead.

GnFnRosesfan#1 · « **Reply #25 on:** January 19, 2012, 05:51:03 AM »

I see the confusion. I wasnt calling gnr, or zepplin, or aerosmith "hair bands" I was talking about poison and bon jovi bamds like that. I was just imcluding them under the umbrella of hard rock. To me hair metal is a lot closer to hard rock sounding than actual metal. I hope this clarifys things. Btw this is kinda a dumb thread.

chezequerz · « **Reply #26 on:** January 19, 2012, 06:26:42 AM »

Quote from: GnFnRosesfan#1 on January 19, 2012, 05:51:03 AM

I see the confusion. I wasnt calling gnr, or zepplin, or aerosmith "hair bands" I was talking about poison and bon jovi bamds like that. I was just imcluding them under the umbrella of hard rock. To me hair metal is a lot closer to hard rock sounding than actual metal. I hope this clarifys things. Btw this is kinda a dumb thread.

nah you're idea isn't that bad it's just that "heavy metal" doesn't really mean anything and frankly nor does "hard rock" if it was a list of bands who are musically similar vs other bands who are musically similar it'd be a lot easier to vote on.

but frankly Hendrix, pink floyd, van halen, ac/dc and GnR are all very different musically just because they're all "hard rock" doesn't mean they can be lumped together other than that umbrella term AC/DC and Pink Floyd (for example) have very little in common.

abaraxas · « **Reply #27 on:** January 19, 2012, 06:45:53 AM »

IMO Sabbath didnt make a "metal" album until Heaven and Hell (1980) with Dio... the NWOBHM (new wave of british heavy metal) is what I think of as true heavy metal, all the growling/trashcan beating shit that bands peddle these days is something else.

chezequerz · « **Reply #28 on:** January 19, 2012, 07:10:50 AM »

Quote from: abaraxas on January 19, 2012, 06:45:53 AM

IMO Sabbath didnt make a "metal" album until Heaven and Hell (1980) with Dio... the NWOBHM (new wave of british heavy metal) is what I think of as true heavy metal, all the growling/trashcan beating shit that bands peddle these days is something else.

fair enough, that's your opinion and i won't contest it mostly because there are a lot of rock elements in Sabbath it's easy to see how the line is blurred.

Modern metal is too big a range to judge, like i said "metal" is not really a genre of music as much as an umbrella term for several entirely different genres. Black metal bands like Emperor sound nothing like atmospheric metal bands like the man-eating tree and neither of those sound anything like power metal outfits like Kamelot and none of THOSE bands sound like folk metal or thrash metal or NWOBHM etc etc.

jplpool · « **Reply #29 on:** January 19, 2012, 08:17:06 AM »

Face it, it's all just rock n roll. metal, rock, punk, grunge...Whatever.

Led Zep were also classed as being 'metal' at the time. It doesn't make the description right.

every band mentioned in this thread will likely have an eclectic mix of influences and very few of them can be classed as highly original artists. Most of them will draw influences from early blues, early rock n' roll, Psychedelia, and country and western.

Sabbath never invented metal, they are just part of the evolution of guitar based popular music: Adding their own elements to many influnces that had gone before them.

It's a very grey area, but I'd cite Judas Priest before Sabbath.

There was a Classic Rock article a good few years back and there's shit loads of bands who were influencing the 'metal' sound in the late 60's, whom, for one reason or another, never became well known outside of their peers.

fan · « **Reply #30 on:** January 19, 2012, 01:22:30 PM »

I could have easily predicted where this thread was heading.

For me hard rock all the way.

Max_Power · « **Reply #31 on:** January 20, 2012, 01:30:27 AM »

This is where the shit is at

The Spaghetti Incident? · « **Reply #32 on:** January 21, 2012, 02:02:33 PM »

Quote from: GnFnRosesfan#1 on January 19, 2012, 04:21:23 AM

Ban me? For what? Ive been coming here longer than you have.

1, no you haven't; Date Registered: 01-06-2006 vs Date Registered:25-08-2006

2, if you're such a veteran where the fuck is your sense of humor?

Geez, yeah, you insulted those bands and I wanted to express that I didn't like them being lumped with fucking Warrant and Poison, but I thought I tried to convey a bit of a joke there in the end. Chill cunt.

better2112 · « **Reply #33 on:** January 21, 2012, 02:27:39 PM »

Also you completely put Motorhead in the wrong category. They clearly play Rock n Roll. Lemmy says it himself...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnsjAqOc24E

chezequerz · « **Reply #34 on:** January 22, 2012, 12:05:52 AM »

Quote from: better2112 on January 21, 2012, 02:27:39 PM

Also you completely put Motorhead in the wrong category. They clearly play Rock n Roll. Lemmy says it himself...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnsjAqOc24E

so if Britney Spears states she plays technical progressive death metal does that mean she does?

Motorhead are one of those bands who you can describe as metal or rock and you're not necessarily wrong to be honest.

GnR587 · « **Reply #35 on:** January 22, 2012, 01:50:47 AM »

Quote from: GnFnRosesfan#1 on January 19, 2012, 04:21:23 AM

Ban me? For what? Ive been coming here longer than you have.

Well even if you were here longer, he's now apart of the "newgnrcrew" and you aren't, so he COULD ban you.

pawnshop-guitars · « **Reply #36 on:** January 22, 2012, 03:06:26 AM »

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE SHOW DOWN YOU HAVE ALL BEEN WAITING FOR! IN THE BLUE CORNER, WE HAVE HARD ROCK:

AAAAAND IN THE RED CORNER, WE HAVE HEAVY METAL!

WHO WILL WIN?

better2112 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 22, 2012, 03:09:01 AM »

the winner????

THE BLUES!

Kittay · « **Reply #38 on:** January 22, 2012, 03:22:51 AM »

Quote from: fan on January 19, 2012, 01:22:30 PM

I could have easily predicted where this thread was heading.

For me hard rock all the way.

Ditto.
It's all Rock and Roll.
Nothing in here remotely ban worthy.
Newgnr mods seem pretty cool to me. So does GnFnRosesfan#1.
I just realized we don't have a kissass emoticon or I'd have used it.

Sure are a lot of cockfights in here - if only we could place bets.

Kittay · « **Reply #39 on:** January 22, 2012, 03:29:49 AM »

Quote from: better2112 on January 22, 2012, 03:09:01 AM

the winner????

THE BLUES!

better2112 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 22, 2012, 03:32:10 AM »

Brett Hull, Al MacInnis!!!!!

Kittay · « **Reply #41 on:** January 22, 2012, 03:36:58 AM »

A cookie for better2112. This is so appropriate.

http://youtu.be/79R879d10m4

better2112 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 22, 2012, 03:39:52 AM »

Center ice goal

Imagine he and Hull have the new 'composite' sticks??!!

Poll

Which is better

Author Topic: Hard rock vs heavy metal (Read 1361 times)