'A Good Beating' Would Have Helped Axl Rose

[chezequerz]

Common sense, factuality and the bleeding fucking obvious arent tolerated in this thread.

so it would seem

[fan]

Common sense, factuality and the bleeding fucking obvious arent tolerated in this thread.

Well the only way to gauge how good or bad a band is in a measurable sense is by musical talent and GnR are not exactly at the top of that pile.

There's a huge difference between how good a band IS and how much you like them. There are a lot of idiots around here who struggle with that concept sadly.

From this I can draw a conclusion that it is possible to objectively determine, with the help of common sense of course, which band is the best in the world. I disagree.

It is a matter of individual or group preference, it could even be based on a general consensus, but it still don't make it factual. There is no huge difference between these two concepts and I have pointed out clearly that I am stating my opinion.

There is no criteria for determining the best band that could be universally applied. This is why I find the arrogance in this thread so stupid. Instead of a discussion about what makes the best band for you, why Guns isn't or which band is, the first instinct is a poor attempt at humour or insults. Boring.

I know, let's rather talk about how much of a faggot someone is and who's gonna shove whose fist in whose anus and most of the people here can be ever happy. 

[jplpool]

Think you have all gone a bit overboard on fan here. It's a guns n rosess forum, ffs, one would suggest you might meet people who think they are up there with the best.

Anyway who is the best band in the world rightt now? The Gaslight Anthem? Nah, Trivium? Don't make me laugh. Coldplay? 

Radiohead? maybe, but there's not many better than Guns and that's for sure.

[Crazy Child]

Think you have all gone a bit overboard on fan here. It's a guns n rosess forum, ffs, one would suggest you might meet people who think they are up there with the best.

Anyway who is the best band in the world rightt now? The Gaslight Anthem? Nah, Trivium? Don't make me laugh. Coldplay? 

Radiohead? maybe, but there's not many better than Guns and that's for sure.

 

From this I can draw a conclusion that it is possible to objectively determine, with the help of common sense of course, which band is the best in the world. I disagree.

It is a matter of individual or group preference, it could even be based on a general consensus, but it still don't make it factual. There is no huge difference between these two concepts and I have pointed out clearly that I am stating my opinion.

There is no criteria for determining the best band that could be universally applied. This is why I find the arrogance in this thread so stupid. Instead of a discussion about what makes the best band for you, why Guns isn't or which band is, the first instinct is a poor attempt at humour or insults. Boring.

I know, let's rather talk about how much of a faggot someone is and who's gonna shove whose fist in whose anus and most of the people here can be ever happy. 

 

[chezequerz]

From this I can draw a conclusion that it is possible to objectively determine, with the help of common sense of course, which band is the best in the world.
no, it is not it is however quite possible to determine who are the best bandS in the world.

It is a matter of individual or group preference, it could even be based on a general consensus, but it still don't make it factual.
That's taste, it's not how good a band is.

There is no huge difference between these two concepts and I have pointed out clearly that I am stating my opinion.
You pointed it out? Good for you? What's your point exactly?

There is no criteria for determining the best band that could be universally applied.
there are many ways to determine the quality of music that you can judge and then based upon talent to fulfill as much of them as possible determine the best band in the world...they're unlikely to be the most popular whoever they are but there is a band that is better than anyone else out there somewhere.

This is why I find the arrogance in this thread so stupid.
I'm not seeing any arrogance, merely discussion.

Instead of a discussion about what makes the best band for you, why Guns isn't or which band is, the first instinct is a poor attempt at humour or insults. Boring.
I've made no insults that i am aware of. And I stated frankly that the best band is measurable not that i know what it is nor did i condemn the fact GnR are your favourite.

I know, let's rather talk about how much of a faggot someone is and who's gonna shove whose fist in whose anus and most of the people here can be ever happy. 
sadly that'd probably please most here  ah well

Think you have all gone a bit overboard on fan here. It's a guns n rosess forum, ffs, one would suggest you might meet people who think they are up there with the best.
Noone's stating that, that i am aware of. I stated my opinions if they conflict with his that's the nature of many conversation.

Anyway who is the best band in the world rightt now? The Gaslight Anthem? Nah, Trivium? Don't make me laugh. Coldplay? 
Who knows? I don't, i merely know that there is one and Trivium and in particular The Gaslight Anthem and Coldplay are sure as shit not it.

Radiohead? maybe, but there's not many better than Guns and that's for sure.
No not Radiohead. Bands like Opeth and Dream Theater are better than Guns, credit where it's due GnR write some great music the CD era stuff is brilliant...maybe too brilliant for it's own good.

[Crazy Child]

Think you have all gone a bit overboard on fan here. It's a guns n rosess forum, ffs, one would suggest you might meet people who think they are up there with the best.

Anyway who is the best band in the world rightt now? The Gaslight Anthem? Nah, Trivium? Don't make me laugh. Coldplay? 

Radiohead? maybe, but there's not many better than Guns and that's for sure.

 

I think we are off topic, just saying...

[fan]

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If there's a criteria to determine the best bandS in the world, then we sure as hell can determine the best band too. Don't shoot yourself in the foot.

Rhetorical questions are kinda dull. I will provide one answer nonetheless - my point is, you write as if your opinion is pure fact.

You didn't exactly just state your opinion, because like you said Guns were not by musical talent at the top of the pile. And since this thread does not tolerate common sense, factuality and the bleeding fucking obvious (something you agree upon), ergo I assume your assessment reflects the aforementioned qualities and mine does not. Is that correct, sir?

I know this discussion is merely due to a certain choice of words, but I still hope you will answer my question much like I answered yours and you will not resort to a selective responding without even reading it properly.

And idiots is an insult. Not saying it was directed to me, but it is.

[jplpool]

You need to leave the 'musicians hat' at home chez, it doesn't wash with me; I can barely play with myself.

[jplpool]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRmFS1nNmtQ

[chezequerz]

If there's a criteria to determine the best bandS in the world, then we sure as hell can determine the best band too. Don't shoot yourself in the foot.

not really, a group of the best bands is possible to identify but as new bands come out there's inevitably going to be changes to who's really at the pinnacle of music.

Rhetorical questions are kinda dull. I will provide one answer nonetheless - my point is, you write as if your opinion is pure fact.

I didn't use a rhetorical question, you made a statement defending your right to an opinion when noone was attacking that right, merely the opinion itself. But my opinion is pure logic. Bands write music that's what they are selling, that's the entire point, ergo whichever group write the best music is the best.

You didn't exactly just state your opinion, because like you said Guns were not by musical talent at the top of the pile. And since this thread does not tolerate common sense, factuality and the bleeding fucking obvious (something you agree upon), ergo I assume your assessment reflects the aforementioned qualities and mine does not. Is that correct, sir?
They aren't at the top of the musical talent pile that's not an opinion. To be honest the entire forum doesn't tolerate common sense, factuality or the bleeding fucking obvious. My point was that there is a distinction between someone's favourite band and the best band.

I know this discussion is merely due to a certain choice of words, but I still hope you will answer my question much like I answered yours and you will not resort to a selective responding without even reading it properly.
No i'm more than happy to reply to be honest.

And idiots is an insult. Not saying it was directed to me, but it is.
It is an insult but one that comes from having to deal with this discussion on multiple occasions...typical ly with non musicians.

You need to leave the 'musicians hat' at home chez, it doesn't wash with me; I can barely play with myself.

The hat stays on buddy. Not too bothered if it washes with you or not though i reckon that's your problem not mine  .

[fan]

You didn't answer my question.

I'll paraphrase it.

Is it true that your assessment reflects common sense, factuality or the bleeding fucking obvious and mine doesn't?

The reason I'm asking this is because, if you answer "yes", then this is the arrogance I was refering to.

If you answer "no", you consider yourself to be equally intolerant towards those concepts, hence I'm surprised you supported that statement.

[jplpool]

The hat stays on buddy. Not too bothered if it washes with you or not though i reckon that's your problem not mine  .

Okay, just saying. Are Newcastle one of the top teams in the prem, or does the sum total of their parts just make them a better team than they appear?

[chezequerz]

You didn't answer my question.

I'll paraphrase it.

Is it true that your assessment reflects common sense, factuality or the bleeding fucking obvious and mine doesn't?

The reason I'm asking this is because, if you answer "yes", then this is the arrogance I was refering to.

If you answer "no", you consider yourself to be equally intolerant towards those concepts, hence I'm surprised you supported that statement.

the one part of your first post i don't think reflects those things is that GnR are the best band in the world, as i deem it fact that they are not, even if they are many people's favourite...the rest i'm inclined to agree with though.

[chezequerz]

Okay, just saying. Are Newcastle one of the top teams in the prem, or does the sum total of their parts just make them a better team than they appear?

It's not quite the same if anything your point reflects mine, newcastle are successful despite their parts being comparatively unimpressive just like a lot of bands who aren't great musicians but still get success. But music is not football i can't really see a way to compare the two.