Author Topic: The 2011 Voice (Read 2944 times)

jdcole82 · « **on:** October 06, 2011, 12:33:26 AM »

Ok, so anyone who saw the Rio show was a little surprised that Axl's voice was surprisingly reset to the 2002 sound. I know its something everyone's talked about, but I was curious as to why you guys think this happens.

In this 1991 clip, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5piGAFxV8E, Axl's doing soundcheck for Coma and he doesn't even seem to have to raise his voice or scream to achieve that classic sound from the Illusion days. That's a different sound than something like Paradise City or pretty much the whole AFD record. Presently, it seems like he has to dig deep and scream to achieve anything close to the AFD days, but he doesn't even try to do the voice that was throughout the Illusions tracks or Since I Don't Have You on the SI. I wonder which voice was more damaging or difficult to achieve, the AFD sound or the Illusion sound? Perhaps the voice from that Coma clip was more damaging and that's why he can't do that anymore? Seems like the AFD voice would be harder to do and more damaging, which is why I'm confused as to why he doesn't do more of the Illusion type voice now instead of AFD, which sounds too high and not gritty most of the time now.

At Rio, Nightrain sounded decent, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InB2Ge-0FHI, but it was more of the AFD sound. Just confuses me. I want to see Axl kick some ace out there and I hate it when we all feel sorry for him sometimes. Is there a voice coach out there that can answer these questions?

axlroethlisberger7 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 06, 2011, 12:47:47 AM »

I have wondered that also.I wonder if he damaged his vocal chords long ago and maybe that has something to do with his long disappearence.Dont get me wrong,I love the new guns and am not be negative in any way.I just hope axl writes about what happened someday.By the way got my tickets to see the new guns

eddie · « **Reply #2 on:** October 06, 2011, 01:41:11 AM »

he has blown his boice out twice. 1 in 89 and 91 i think i have a lot of live show from around that area an he mentions it a few times

jdcole82 · « **Reply #3 on:** October 06, 2011, 01:47:01 AM »

What does it actually mean to "blow your voice out"? He sounded decent in 92 and 93 so it didn't seem to cause permanent damage. Could it just be the way the body changes as it ages? Elton John and Billy Joel never screamed like Axl, but they don't hit high notes anymore at concerts...its all low register stuff. I honestly think Axl would be better off singing everything the way he sings Out ta Get Me and Mr. Brownstone if he can't do the old voice.

Write a book for us Axl and answer every question we have! Just kidding...but seriously.

jplpool · « **Reply #4 on:** October 06, 2011, 01:54:19 AM »

Try screaming your fucking heart out for a living............

Axl has a great voice, listen to him sing Patience, yeah, he was a choirboy, ffs.

Imo, Axl's vocal problems stem from the fact he used about twenty-five fucking ace voices. i remember him saying they were not "contrived," but I'm not convinced, the man is a bona fide legend, he just needs to find a consistent range.

eddie · « **Reply #5 on:** October 06, 2011, 01:56:48 AM »

the way he sings puts alot of strain on his voice, so what i mean is that he damaged his vocal cords and hes had surgery twice to fix the problem thats why he cant sing the wayhe used to like u sed its just wear and tear and thats probably why he only tours every 4 years of so

jplpool · « **Reply #6 on:** October 06, 2011, 02:05:45 AM »

Quote from: eddie on October 06, 2011, 01:56:48 AM

the way he sings puts alot of strain on his voice, so what i mean is that he damaged his vocal cords and hes had surgery twice to fix the problem thats why he cant sing the wayhe used to like u sed its just wear and tear and thats probably why he only tours every 4 years of so

Yeah, think he mentions it on the live performance of "It Tastes Good" [is that the right name? lol] and then he fucking belted out the most unique Axl voice to date. Lol.

crackdaddy · « **Reply #7 on:** October 06, 2011, 02:15:58 AM »

Maybe he was sick or something.

I'm waiting for another performance to confirm if hes lost it again or not.

I'm hoping Axl comes out in Miami and blows us all away like he did in 2006.

jdcole82 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 06, 2011, 02:24:14 AM »

"the way he sings Out ta Get Me and Mr. Brownstone"

I meant Its So Easy, not Out ta Get Me.

abaraxas · « **Reply #9 on:** October 06, 2011, 08:24:37 AM »

Quote from: jplpool on October 06, 2011, 01:54:19 AM

Try screaming your fucking heart out for a living............

Axl has a great voice, listen to him sing Patience, yeah, he was a choirboy, ffs.

Imo, Axl's vocal problems stem from the fact he used about twenty-five fucking ace voices. i remember him saying they were not "contrived," but I'm not convinced, the man is a bona fide legend, he just needs to find a consistent range.

I mean,

"

Hehe, Axls a bona fide diva-its obvious that he has let his own bullshit take over from the music a long time ago.
In all honesty, I wouldnt be suprised if he sounds great at the next show.

Johan! · « **Reply #10 on:** October 06, 2011, 09:47:24 AM »

It seems that it was already a lot better again last night

shackler in the rye · « **Reply #11 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:06:58 AM »

I have absoloutly no proof of this whatsoever but a few years back 06 or maybe 07 i remember seeing something online (prob bullshit) about axl having throat cancer during the years know one saw him, and that this would go some way to explain (A) his voice change around 01-02 (B) What were clearly hair implants and (C) his withdrawl from public life for years.

Before anyone tells me this is bullshit i'm sure that it is, i certainly hope so anyway.

from what ive heard of that chile gig his voice sounded a lot better anyway

SoulMonster · « **Reply #12 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:12:28 AM »

Quote from: shackler in the rye on October 06, 2011, 10:06:58 AM

I have absoloutly no proof of this whatsoever but a few years back 06 or maybe 07 i remember seeing something online (prob bullshit) about axl having throat cancer during the years know one saw him, and that this would go some way to explain (A) his voice change around 01-02 (B) What were clearly hair implants and (C) his withdrawl from public life for years.

Before anyone tells me this is bullshit i'm sure that it is, i certainly hope so anyway.

Not only is it probably bullshit it is also silly bullshit because why would anyone get hair implants from a cancer treatment when the hair will grow back naturally when the chemo therapy is finished.

shackler in the rye · « **Reply #13 on:** October 06, 2011, 10:53:07 AM »

Quote from: SoulMonster on October 06, 2011, 10:12:28 AM

Not only is it probably bullshit it is also silly bullshit because why would anyone get hair implants from a cancer treatment when the hair will grow back naturally when the chemo therapy is finished.

A good point but as i said i didn't actually believe it. It's far more likely he was just out of practice, but from the few clips i saw of last night his voice does sound a bit better than rio already, sure he'l be on top form in a few shows time

Exitus · « **Reply #14 on:** October 06, 2011, 12:35:21 PM »

Quote from: jdcole82 on October 06, 2011, 12:33:26 AM

Ok, so anyone who saw the Rio show was a little surprised that Axl's voice was surprisingly reset to the 2002 sound. I know its something everyone's talked about, but I was curious as to why you guys think this happens.

Well, I was told singing needs to be exercised like a muscle. So there you go: Axl probably hasn't exercised that much since the last shows in 2010...

sol_hudson · « **Reply #15 on:** October 06, 2011, 07:20:15 PM »

He's old. And the way axl sings DOES do damage to your voice. Fact.

GnR587 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 06, 2011, 08:01:47 PM »

Maybe he's under a little pressure or something when he's performing to a live broadcast where millions of people will be watching him. I've noticed it in RIR 4, and the MTV awards in 2002.

jdcole82 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 06, 2011, 08:28:36 PM »

"Maybe he's under a little pressure or something when he's performing to a live broadcast where millions of people will be watching him. I've noticed it in RIR 4, and the MTV awards in 2002."

I think there may be something to that. People I know that sing live say that singing when nervous in front of crowds definitely makes it harder to sing the way you want to. However, all the 2002 shows sounded like that. So, either he discovered Xanax since 2002 or this theory is crap.

blackknight · « **Reply #18 on:** October 06, 2011, 08:52:33 PM »

This is one of the best ive heard Axl singing live.I posted this to loads people who think its fucken great ,it only 2009 he has that growl and anger in his voice which seemed to desert him in Rio ,but in fairness the broadcast sound was bad for all acts and it was the first gig after a long break so be patient for those who thinks he wasn't up to par.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2eKaMhMa6w&list=FL8fsWJ3MgVCjIui1z7cMSow&index=5

robosoft · « **Reply #19 on:** October 06, 2011, 09:47:27 PM »

In rio axl hardly left the stage. (when he leaves the stage he has a mix of oxygen an some throat mix) some times he will leave the stage several times in one song. Its well documented.

But we will see it as a costume change.

lr_free · « **Reply #20 on:** October 09, 2011, 01:18:46 AM »

The Rock in Rio voice and sound problems turned to be because of the rain and malfunction equipament. If you search in YouTube for Chile 5th October concert (ex: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVov3-akpkI or http://www.youtube.com/user/c32#p/u/12/xEyCfbVdpCk ) , you will ear and see huge diferences. This examples were filmed with a simple handy cam, not with Pro systems like in RiR, but in Chile Guns n' Roses sounds fucking good.

lr_free · « **Reply #21 on:** October 09, 2011, 01:40:30 AM »

This I Love in Chile - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EilPpjHCuk4&feature=related

Anyone after this can say that there is any voice problem?

abaraxas · « **Reply #22 on:** October 09, 2011, 02:21:52 AM »

Excellent tambourine work from Chris Pitman there.

mickey.rourke · « **Reply #23 on:** October 09, 2011, 05:53:23 PM »

i think he naturally has oh no HAD is the right word how he sang in the early gigs 84-85-86 (hollywood rose demos) since he wasnt trained how to sing i dont think he needed much effort to sing like that. but after as they were touring,drinking a lot of alcohol, doin drugs it really worn down his throat. and he started sound different a bit in 87 and in 88 completly different than in the early 84-86 voice. he many times said in shows that he blew his throat and even tehy canceled gigs cuz of that.and by the time the appetite tour ended for a while 88 sept-oct-nov they had a break. and in the japan/australian tour axl got back voicewise from the slump a bit.
then basically 1.5 yrs they weredoin not much but damaging themselves axl's voice drastically changed (rio soundcheck) and he could hardly sound like that clean and couldnt sing clearly the high notes usually like he could easily in AFD. but that voice also sounded pretty cool so no real problems were. voicewise there were highs and lows like 91 june his voice was good... but later on in the EU leg it became very raspy, unclear luckily his power of the voice helped out them to be still very goddamn cool. again a break and in worchester i think he had very good voice again comparing to shows like 91 mannheim or sweden. and in 92 he started sing differently a bit mb he got a teacher and 93 totally diffferent style of singing which i liked very much but i think it clearly can be seen its different technique not that raspy rather quite high all the time . i dont really know what he had been doin from 94 to 2001 probably that much drink n booze that totally took away his voice abilities. and cigarettes take away lng capacity as well....so we got to the mickey mouse voice the very down of his voice ever...he was a bit better in 2006 thank to teacher and in 2009-2010 we started to hope that we soon getting back the old or at least an old-like axl. and now we got back to the very down again. no power, no raspyness, fucked up head voice, and he doesnt even dare to try usually sing the high notes as he should. so all in all axl is just a mere shadow of his former self again... and if the ex gunners heard rio show they were shaking their heads what gnr has become...
so i think its the life style not the sing style that worn his throat since if so he should have been in great shape in 2001-2002 (cuz in 8 yrs no gigs were at all)

SlashfuckerORO · « **Reply #24 on:** October 10, 2011, 01:40:00 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOUfARDrIDg

this was his voice from rio 2006

it's sucks, but the whole 2006/07 era Axl had a great voice!! rock am ring, donington us warmup dates etc..
so the "rock in rio" sound i dont count!!

Exitus · « **Reply #25 on:** October 10, 2011, 05:40:18 PM »

Shouldn't this belong in the "on tour" section?

mickey.rourke · « **Reply #26 on:** October 10, 2011, 07:13:30 PM »

2010 far better than 2006

jdcole82 · « **Reply #27 on:** October 10, 2011, 11:05:32 PM »

I wonder how Stephen Tyler has kept his voice sounding so consistent for like 30yrs.

misterbrownstone · « **Reply #28 on:** October 11, 2011, 04:27:59 PM »

Quote from: Uli on October 10, 2011, 05:40:18 PM

Shouldn't this belong in the "on tour" section?

i'll leave it here, if someone else wants to move it they can. it's just general discussion, so i figure it'll be more read / discussed here.

Catcher88 · « **Reply #29 on:** October 12, 2011, 03:57:34 PM »

Quote from: blackknight on October 06, 2011, 08:52:33 PM

This is one of the best ive heard Axl singing live.I posted this to loads people who think its fucken great ,it only 2009 he has that growl and anger in his voice which seemed to desert him in Rio ,but in fairness the broadcast sound was bad for all acts and it was the first gig after a long break so be patient for those who thinks he wasn't up to par.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2eKaMhMa6w&list=FL8fsWJ3MgVCjIui1z7cMSow&index=5

That whole night in Osaka '09 was one of the best voices he produced the last 10 years

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violetflame · « **Reply #30 on:** October 12, 2011, 07:18:13 PM »

I think the high notes really hurt his voice, although..it might be bad luck..Steven Tyler is alot older and did thesame or double amount of drugs....and he is still singing great ,not the same but really good, now Led zep's vocalist woooww ver very old and still sings great! So Im really concern about what happened to Axl.Im afraid he will not be able to sing again like he used to.I saw the band in NY in 2006 @ the Hammerstein ballroom and he sounded great!!!!I hope whatever happened can be fix with some ..therapy??

shackler in the rye · « **Reply #31 on:** October 12, 2011, 08:13:34 PM »

Quote from: violetflame on October 12, 2011, 07:18:13 PM

I think the high notes really hurt his voice, although..it might be bad luck..Steven Tyler is alot older and did thesame or double amount of drugs....and he is still singing great ,not the same but really good, now Led zep's vocalist woooww ver very old and still sings great! So Im really concern about what happened to Axl.Im afraid he will not be able to sing again like he used to.I saw the band in NY in 2006 @ the Hammerstein ballroom and he sounded great!!!!I hope whatever happened can be fix with some ..therapy??

steven tyler and robert plant have differant singing styles to axl, axl gets his "chainsaw" type growl by closing up his throat and pushing alot of power out through it which can be damaging aparently, i saw him in 06 as well and he sounded great and he did in 2010 too, his voice sounds a bit better than rio again already and im sure in a few shows time he will be belting them out

pawnshop-guitars · « **Reply #32 on:** October 13, 2011, 01:24:33 AM »

Quote from: abaraxas on October 09, 2011, 02:21:52 AM

Excellent tambourine work from Chris Pitman there.

As always. Are you even aware of the strenous daily arm excercises he has to go through to keep his tambourine arm so strong and flexible? DJ Ashba showed him some. $lu$h would never do it.

W.

p.s. Yeah his voice will get stronger. But some warm up shows before RiR would have been nice so the world got to see the warmed up Axl, not the 'shit this singing thing is harder than I remember' Axl.

violetflame · « **Reply #33 on:** October 13, 2011, 04:11:04 AM »

Quote from: lr_free on October 09, 2011, 01:40:30 AM

This I Love in Chile - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EilPpjHCuk4&feature=related

Anyone after this can say that there is any voice problem?

great voice!!!!

abaraxas · « **Reply #34 on:** October 13, 2011, 06:59:21 AM »

Quote from: pawnshop-guitars on October 13, 2011, 01:24:33 AM

As always. Are you even aware of the strenous daily arm excercises he has to go through to keep his tambourine arm so strong and flexible? DJ Ashba showed him some. $lu$h would never do it.

W.

haha

Quote from: pawnshop-guitars on October 13, 2011, 01:24:33 AM

p.s. Yeah his voice will get stronger. But some warm up shows before RiR would have been nice so the world got to see the warmed up Axl, not the 'shit this singing thing is harder than I remember' Axl.

Really well put

Exitus · « **Reply #35 on:** October 13, 2011, 12:11:01 PM »

Quote from: shackler in the rye on October 12, 2011, 08:13:34 PM

his voice sounds a bit better than rio again already and im sure in a few shows time he will be belting them out

Yeah, but this just shows he should've started exercising his voice a while before Rio...

shackler in the rye · « **Reply #36 on:** October 13, 2011, 07:52:33 PM »

Quote from: Uli on October 13, 2011, 12:11:01 PM

Yeah, but this just shows he should've started exercising his voice a while before Rio...

i agree absoloutly and said much the same at the time, i suspect when their not on tour lawsuits take up all axl's time.

mickey.rourke · « **Reply #37 on:** October 14, 2011, 11:45:13 AM »

Quote from: shackler in the rye on October 12, 2011, 08:13:34 PM

steven tyler and robert plant have differant singing styles to axl, axl gets his "chainsaw" type growl by closing up his throat and pushing alot of power out through it which can be damaging aparently, i saw him in 06 as well and he sounded great and he did in 2010 too, his voice sounds a bit better than rio again already and im sure in a few shows time he will be belting them out

in 85-86 he didnt sing with that squueue throat close up and he cant sing like that as well... he lost that really clean nice high and strong voice much much before for some reasons

Nightrain_86 · « **Reply #38 on:** October 14, 2011, 12:34:04 PM »

Quote from: mickey.rourke on October 14, 2011, 11:45:13 AM

he lost that really clean nice high and strong voice much much before for some reasons

It's not really that much of a mystery as to why his voice changed.

shackler in the rye · « **Reply #39 on:** October 14, 2011, 07:44:06 PM »

Quote from: mickey.rourke on October 14, 2011, 11:45:13 AM

in 85-86 he didnt sing with that squueue throat close up and he cant sing like that as well... he lost that really clean nice high and strong voice much much before for some reasons

Age

violetflame · « **Reply #40 on:** October 15, 2011, 08:13:53 AM »

http://youtu.be/zVRL6488Avk the other songs he sang at this place where fine...I think is also the speakers and the stupid sound they get sometimes...in general his voice has changed in the las ten years or more...but I remember some of the concerts in the past were not perfect either....because he would run all over the place..he would be agitated I think his voice is fine not perfect but good enough for the usa tour!!!