Norway Attacks

[ALLLOCKEDUPINSIDE]

Death puts a closure of the families victims (who have suffered so much) knowing that a mass murderer like him is gone.

[Andy Rose]

Death is a much too easy escape for people like him...  there're worse experiences than dying and that's the sort of punishment he deserves. Jail will be a living hell, that's for sure

[SoulMonster]

Death puts a closure of the families victims (who have suffered so much) knowing that a mass murderer like him is gone.

Uhm, I've heard plenty of stories where victims don't want such harsh penalties. I don't know where you come from, but there was recently this case in the USA where one of the victims, who survived, made a huge effort to stop the death penalty being executed on a killer who killed lots of people after 9/11. He was a Muslim from Bangladesh by the way. My point is, don't assume that the families of victims are always so blood thirsty. It's too early here in Norway and although most of us wants the punishment to reflect the crime in the way that he gets a punishment that is unrivalled in modern times, I haven't heard much about people actually wanting him dead, neither from victims' families or other people. I guess we just don't have a need for that kind of "closure".

[Iconic Shawn]

I think these types of criminals should be subjected to a lifetime of some kind of community service.

Something like scrubbing walls or something harsh like that.

I honestly feel the death penalty should be given without question but for the sensitive daisies who will show mercy to a man who would smile as he put a bullet in their head, at least the harsh lifetime community service seems alright.

~S~

[Andy Rose]

I think these types of criminals should be subjected to a lifetime of some kind of community service.

Something like scrubbing walls or something harsh like that.

I honestly feel the death penalty should be given without question but for the sensitive daisies who will show mercy to a man who would smile as he put a bullet in their head, at least the harsh lifetime community service seems alright.

~S~

if he's given the death penalty his punishment will end the moment they inject the needle. maybe it wont even hurt him, and he wont have time to think nor regret what he's done. But as long as he is alive, he'll have to deal with the curse of what he's done. how do you think he'll be treated in prison? they'll rape and beat the fuck out of him everyday. and hopefully, some day he'll open his eyes and become aware of his past actions... his repentance will be a mind torture to him.

[SoulMonster]

how do you think he'll be treated in prison? they'll rape and beat the fuck out of him everyday.

Haha, no, don't think so.

and hopefully, some day he'll open his eyes and become aware of his past actions... his repentance will be a mind torture to him.

That is what I am hoping for.

[Andy Rose]

Haha, no, don't think so.

they'll avoid it the first year so that not to arise suspicions nor controversy. then his jail buddies will have a blast with him

and if not, send him to an Argentine prison

[SoulMonster]

"Rage and fear are the normal human responses to cold-blooded massacres such as 9/11 or Anders Behring Breivik’s murderous spree in Norway. The desire to lash out, to find some kind of solace in making somebody suffer for what has been done, is powerful. But it is also deeply corrupting. It ends up reproducing the very inhumanity to which it is responding.

This is why the reaction of Norway, even in the stunned hours immediately after the massacre, is so important for the world as a whole. It is one thing to know intellectually that the only answer to terrorism is, as the Norwegian prime minister Jens Stoltenberg put it, “more freedom, more democracy”. It is a much more precious and remarkable thing to be able to say so even as you watch live images of teenagers’ bloodied bodies.

Stoltenberg and the Norwegians have redefined political courage, not as the macho swagger of “we’ll get the bastards”, but as the steely dignity of refusing to drink the toxic Cool-Aid of fear and rage. It is sickly ironic that the person who inadvertently put it best was Breivik himself. In his diary, he recorded a brush with the police two months ago: “I decided then and there that I would not allow paranoia to get the best of me.” By refusing to let paranoia get the best of its great traditions of democracy and decency, Norway has given the world the only real answer to terrorism."

Source: http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2011/0726/1224301382324.html#.Ti7piIS7W6i.facebook

[ALLLOCKEDUPINSIDE]

Victims names just have been released.

Just four of the 76 people known to have died in attacks in the Norwegian capital Oslo and on the island of Utoya were named on Tuesday, their ages ranging from 23 to 61.

The search for more victims is continuing in the deep waters around Utoya, as a number of people remain unaccounted for. Some 700 people, mainly teenagers, were attending a summer camp organised by Norway’s ruling Labour Party when Breivik opened fire with automatic weapons, killing at least 68 of them. Senior officers said the exact numbers on the island were not known because people were arriving at and leaving the event in the run-up to the massacre.

The first release of names listed three who were killed by the huge bomb detonated by Breivik in Oslo’s government quarter before he moved on to Utoya.

They were Hanna Endresen, 61, Tove Aashill Knutsen, 56, and Kai Hauge, 32, all from Oslo. The last two were born and died on the same day of the year. Gunnar Linaker, 23, from Bardu in northern Norway was the first victim on Utoya to be named. He was speaking on the phone to his father when Breivik, dressed as a policeman, began his murderous progress through the wooded island.

“Dad, dad there is a shooting, I have to go,” were the last words heard from him.

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The brevity of the list came as a surprise, given that many victims have already been named on the internet and in the media.

Norwegian police have been criticised for their response to Breivik’s shooting spree. Armed officers took more than an hour to reach the island by road because of the non-availability of a transport helicopter – the country has a single police helicopter, despite its vast oil and gas wealth, and that is a small surveillance machine. To compound the problem, the crew were on holiday at the time of the attacks.

A senior officer explained said: “I don’t think how this could have been handled faster. I can’t see how that could be possible, given the distance to the island and under these conditions. You always try to be better but I don’t see how we could have been faster.”

When it was pointed out that Breivik himself imagined the police would arrive on the island much sooner, the officer replied: “His thoughts are very difficult to understand.”

Among the dead was Tore Eikeland, at 21 a promising young politician who had addressed Labour Party conferences in 2009 and 2011. He was also a dedicated Newcastle United fan and writer of a blog for fans of the club in Norway.

Hanne Kristine Fridtun, 20, was a youth leader at the camp. In a haunting call to Norway’s broadcaster NRK, she said: “I can’t speak loudly, I have to whisper. Twenty of us have hidden down by the reeds. We’ve heard shooting. We don’t know what’s happening.”

Some tried to halt Breivik in his tracks, at the cost of their lives. Trond Berntsen, 51, an off-duty police officer providing security on Utoya, pushed his 10-year-old son to safety before confronting Breivik. Mr Berntsen was the step-brother of Norway’s crown princess, Mette-Marit.

Monica Bosei, 45, known as the “mother of Utoya” for her 20 years of work with the summer camps, became suspicious of Breivik while travelling with him on the ferry to the island. She alerted Mr Berntsen and died alongside him.

Some were more fortunate. Herman Holmøy Heggertveit, 18, spoke with Breivik and lived to tell the tale.

“He just walked calmly towards us and when he was four or five metres away he asked if we were all okay and if we knew where the killer was,” he said.

Breivik fixed him with an intense stare.

“He seemed to be very calm and quite satisfied at having found us. In the next second he raised his weapon and pointed it at some of the girls in the group.”

Herman took a split second decision to jump in the water.

“The last I saw before I jumped were some shots. Onshore I saw many bodies on the ground.

“He (Breivik) was looking around and must have seen some sign of life because suddenly he lifted the gun and shot some of them as they lay there. A young boy stood right in front of him - it seemed like he talked to the killer.

“Then I heard a shot and after that I never dared to look back.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8664151/Norway-shootings-police-begin-releasing-names-of-victims.html

[ALLLOCKEDUPINSIDE]

THIS IS an intersting read.

Mass Murder and Shooting Games

We've come to expect sensationalist headlines blaming violent video games for real-world violence. Anders Behring Breivik, the scumbag suspected of murdering 93 people in Norway last week, published a 'manifesto' that gets in front of the breaking media storm.

In '2083: A European Declaration of Independence,' Breivik makes numerous references to Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 as a training simulator, referring would-be activists to Internet cafes for multiplayer sessions if they can't get their hands on an assault rifle.

Games give players an enjoyable approximation of firing guns, but reality is much different. Using a mouse and keyboard or control pad is anything but useful in terms of improving your ability to aim a rifle. If you want to test that out, head down to a firing range after a lengthy Call of Duty session. Anyone who's ever held a gun will tell you your real-life marksmanship won't remotely match your gaming abilities.

The alleged terrorist also explained how he used World of Warcraft to disguise his actions leading up to the tragedy: constructing terrorist plots and training with weapons. Breivik wrote that a fabricated addiction to an MMO "can justify isolation and people will understand somewhat why you are not answering your phone over long periods."

If he could rely on a fabricated story such as this to cover for him, it's arguable that Breivik's friends and family weren't too terribly concerned about his life. Let's consider briefly that he was a loner, not an insane gamer. He goes on to say that the shameful taboo of the MMO player is so frowned-upon that friends and family will hush-up if anyone asks where you might have slinked off to. He knows nearly 12 million people play World of Warcraft, right?

Video games are minimal in the manifesto, drops in the ocean of religious intolerance and sociopathic monologue. Yet we're still seeing reports of Breivik's gaming habits in news stories about the tragedy in Norway. The connection between violent games and actual violence is tenuous at best. This is a man whose personal experience with weaponry allows him to draw parallels regarding Call of Duty's believability. He used WoW to cover up his hands-on training. His apparent hobby shouldn't be noted in articles when the actual acquiring of skills and weapons goes ignored.

Numerous news stories regarding the suspect's affinity for video games cite Dragon Age II and WoW in the same breath as his love of Modern Warfare 2. Most overlook the "[I'm] not so much into first person shooters" note. At least we aren't seeing the connection between a killer and his gaming habits blown out of proportion. Lumping the responsibility of a man's action onto an entertainment medium is a safety net for the ignorant. That said, lazily and unnecessarily acknowledging a suspected mass murderer's interest in video games, violent of otherwise, is on the same level of absurdity. Why would a reader care about the man's favorite media? We're talking about a1,500 page manifesto concerning the killer's motives and methods, here.

This blasé attitude toward Breivik's interests undermines the more important issues. The association between video games and violence is becoming increasingly, alarmingly casual within the mainstream media. This is as large a concern as the misinformation supported by weak rhetoric seen in sensationalist stories. Whether mentioned with malicious intent or without, the insinuation that games are at least partially responsible for Breivik's actions exists. His favorite pastimes, all legal and commonplace, are irrelevant in the context of religious persecution and mass murder.

Breivik's bizarre obsessions and his hatred of non-Christians is the focal point of the evil contained in his opinions. Not his irrelevant, passing media entertainment fancies.

http://games.ign.com/articles/118/1184293p1.html

[SoulMonster]

The statistics suggest the Norwegian legal system works:

Norwegians, like most Europeans, are convinced their more lenient system of justice works. After their stay in one of Norway’s deluxe prisons, only 20 percent of former convicts end up back in jail after two years, compared to nearly 60 percent in America. With only 71 prisoners per 100,000 inhabitants, Norway’s incarceration rate is less than a tenth of America’s, whose prison population of 743 per 100,000 is the highest in the world, just exceeding Russia’s, and many times that of any Western European country.

Source: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/26/norway-shooter-breivik-gets-off-easy-maximum-sentence-is-21-years.html

And an informal Norwegian survey on Facebook says that 80 % of respondents disagree that the madman should receive a death sentence. Still, it will be challenging for us to apply a legal system designed for normal crimes on a criminal like this. It goes against common sense of fairness.

[pawnshop-guitars]

Last night on the news I saw photos of a lot of the victims, and then a photo of the gunman standing over dead bodies. It cut me up - the victims were all so young and looked so happy, and this guy felt he had no choice but to kill them. In the photo (I think Soul might have posted it earlier) one of the kids is in some water begging him not to shoot him. I can't imagine what they were feeling. That is just beyond my comprehension

[B.I.T.C.H]

Last night on the news I saw photos of a lot of the victims, and then a photo of the gunman standing over dead bodies. It cut me up - the victims were all so young and looked so happy, and this guy felt he had no choice but to kill them. In the photo (I think Soul might have posted it earlier) one of the kids is in some water begging him not to shoot him. I can't imagine what they were feeling. That is just beyond my comprehension

Insanity like this is beyond comprehension.

[SoulMonster]

Last night on the news I saw photos of a lot of the victims, and then a photo of the gunman standing over dead bodies. It cut me up - the victims were all so young and looked so happy, and this guy felt he had no choice but to kill them. In the photo (I think Soul might have posted it earlier) one of the kids is in some water begging him not to shoot him. I can't imagine what they were feeling. That is just beyond my comprehension

I guess it is this:

[pawnshop-guitars]

Yes thats the one - it tears me up every time I see it.