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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #210 on: May 25, 2011, 01:27:28 PM »
Its the worst on all sides. I've stopped watching the news a while ago. Its like sitting there and listening to someone bullshit you for hours.

What outlet do you guys think is the most unbiased? Could be a site or whatever..

And no Chez.. Not Al Jazeera...  :giggle:

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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #211 on: May 25, 2011, 01:29:29 PM »
To be honest I don't know if any are. Basically I try and just get the bare essential facts from any news story and then think about it myself and see what the outcomes, consequences and reasons could be.
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #212 on: May 25, 2011, 02:00:45 PM »
What outlet do you guys think is the most unbiased? Could be a site or whatever..

The only way to know and understand ongoings is to be in the particular area making headlines; very few, maybe even no outlet doesnt have some form of agenda or subtle slant to their tellings... elements coveraging the plight of Palestine or refuting the demonisation of China are left - "democracy, democracy, democracy", anti-conflict reports liberal - anti-Gaddafi, Israeli focus are of the right persuasion. Then you have the franchises which have an hour of materialism for the masses of sheep... There's a lot of opinion expressing... but basic written facts are hard to come by...
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #213 on: June 09, 2011, 02:30:31 AM »
"Are NATO using excessive force and savagely around the clock bombing Libya? Yes. Are NATO in the civil war in Libya took one side against others? Yes. Are NATO saving civilians in Libya? No. No war ship of NATO, in the waters of Libya, does not save many refugees who with boats, boats and various improvised things trying to escape from the conflict zone. According to the International Red Cross in the waters of the Mediterranean died hundreds of people. How is this possible if the NATO's mission is rescue of civilians? Is the civilians rescue bombing military or civilian objects in Tripoli in which civilians are killed too? Can you save one civilian by killing other civilians?

Is the use of combat helicopters Apache, in fact, land NATO intervention in Libya? Yes, because Apaches are part of the British Army, they are not even in the Air Force nor the Navy and they are provided for land warfare. Are the British Special Forces in the ranks of the rebels in Libya, a kind of ground intervention? Yes. Will NATO bomb the state television building in Tripoli, if it is not bombed yet? Yes, they will. Is all this what is happening in Libya have long been out of the text and context of the UN resolution on Libya? Is the resolution abused? Yes.

So we are facing the destruction of the regime of Colonel Gaddafi and killing all those who supported/supporting him. Of course he is not a democratic leader, but show me one Democratic leader in the Arab world. Is his regime committed crimes? Yes. Are the Libyan rebels committed atrocities? Human Rights Watch says YES. The problem is that Gaddafi has controlled/is controlling the best oil in the world, the best water in Africa and the world's largest phosphate reserves needed for food production.

Everything that happens in Libya was actually written in detail in the new strategic concept of NATO, adopted at the summit of the alliance on the 25th April 1999 in Washington. Specifically, at the time when Yugoslavia was bombed, the NATO Council is on the 50th anniversary of the Alliance outlined a wider field of its activities in the new international environment.

That "wider field" looks like this. First, they make the decision to support the opposition movements, which then provides them assistance in the establishment of irregular military forces. With the increase of internal confrontation or rebellion, they adopt a resolution on "no-fly zone", then they declare a "peace mission" of NATO to protect civilians, human rights, or to prevent a humanitarian disaster. Under the guise of peacemaking goals, although the international community has not yet been defined peacemaking as a way of resolving internal conflicts, there is an open military intervention in countries where the regime is not the will of those who carried out the armed intervention. By the way, and around Libya , Ban Ki-moon will again be elected as a General Secretary of the UN, Putin and Medvedev are not in love, and the China are only interested in Taiwan ..."

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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #214 on: June 17, 2011, 09:01:24 PM »
To be honest I don't know if any are. Basically I try and just get the bare essential facts from any news story and then think about it myself and see what the outcomes, consequences and reasons could be.

The BBC is probably the best you're going to get., IMO
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #215 on: August 27, 2011, 02:14:34 PM »
They have found a mass grave in Libya:

Sky's chief correspondent Stuart Ramsay has seen evidence of a mass grave near Tripoli after as many as 150 people were massacred.

He said he had counted as many as 53 executed bodies in a burnt out warehouse.

Stuart Ramsay had been shown the burnt out warehouse where eyewitnesses who escaped the massacre said the people were murdered on August 23 and 24.

He said he had also seen the bodies of two soldiers, with their hands tied behind their backs.

"Locals believed they refused to fire on the people being held inside the warehouse, and were then murdered," he said.


Salim lives nearby and heard shouting and gunfire at the farm building which is next door to a military base.

He said that there had been as many as 150 civilians who were killed but around ten people escaped.

Salim said that the military had not allowed anyone to enter the building but that local residents investigated after the military left.

He said he believed the massacre was carried out by pro-Gaddafi forces.

The discovery of the mass grave comes as fears started to grow about the humanitarian situation in Libya.

Earlier, hundreds of dead bodies were found at a hospital near Tripoli.

They were patients apparently abandoned in their beds at the Abu Salim building when fighting broke out last week.

Most of the victims were men and several had been shot, according to reports.

Witnesses described seeing dozens of decomposing bodies piled up in the building, with hundreds of corpses in one room.

It was unclear when the men died or who killed them, but reports said they had darker skin than most Libyans. Gaddafi had recruited fighters from sub-Saharan Africa

International Development Secretary Andrew Mitchell told Sky News that the reports from the hospital were "appalling".

"We will hold to account anyone, on either side, who commits atrocities," he said.

Mr Mitchell said that the International Criminal Court would be the correct place for dealing with those accused of war crimes.

The news came as Britain announced it would fund surgical teams and medicines to help up to 5,000 wounded Libyans.

Food and household essentials will also be supplied to almost 690,000 others.

The assistance will be provided by the International Committee of the Red Cross with support from the Department for International Development .

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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #216 on: August 27, 2011, 07:35:38 PM »
Tragic :tear:



This whole war makes no sense anymore (if it ever did).
This is simply a revenge mission by the US on Libya.  This will teach them a lesson for attacking Doc Emmett Brown in Back to the Future....... Damn Libyans

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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #217 on: August 28, 2011, 06:12:57 AM »
We picked the wrong fucking side.
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #218 on: August 28, 2011, 11:11:01 AM »
You do realise the mass killing was done (or is at least believed to have been done) by pro-gaddafi forces right? Meaning technically the guy is a fucking wanker. He is now wanted for war crimes, and for things not related to this.
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #219 on: August 28, 2011, 12:07:48 PM »
You do realise the mass killing was done (or is at least believed to have been done) by pro-gaddafi forces right? Meaning technically the guy is a fucking wanker. He is now wanted for war crimes, and for things not related to this.

after around 6 months of the Libyan rebels openly lynching any black people they meet a warehouse full of the corpses of predominantly black people turns up and the Government and BBC state it's probably Gaddafi? the man we are fighting against? how fucking convenient.

Accept it, this sham of a liberation has gotten rid of someone who killed dissidents in exchange for people who exercise racial cleansing. We've exchanged the middle east's 2nd strongest anti Al Queda force for rebels who are supported, manned, armed and informed by Al Queda.



i'd rather have neither frankly but failing that the lesser of two evils in my book. And this whole British and US morality is a fucking con we're butchers and hypocrites.
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #220 on: August 28, 2011, 12:23:34 PM »
Its all bullshit man. I just thought you had mis-read it is all.
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #221 on: August 28, 2011, 12:54:45 PM »
Its all bullshit man. I just thought you had mis-read it is all.

no i'm fairly up to speed on the events over there although it's all second hand knowledge at the end of the day so any opinions anyone forms is subject to that. I thoroughly believe that leaving Gaddafi in control of Libya was the correct move because whilst the enemy of my enemy may not be my friend it's better than having your enemy's friend there instead. In addition i find it easier to sympathise with shooting and murdering rebels and rioters (especially after the riots in the UK) than i do with racial genocide so in my book choosing between these two sides it's essentially a choice between black and dark grey.

and did you see the reports about the soldiers killing and abusing Iraqi's? not one is getting punished not a single one and by definition they should be being done for war crimes and they should face the death penalty but because they are British soldiers they are let off with barely as much as a slap on the wrist with FULL governmental backing? I don't have a lot of good things to say about the americans but at least SOME of the USA's troops have been done for it.

It's bullshit man, pure bullshit.
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #222 on: September 05, 2011, 02:32:41 PM »
You do realise the mass killing was done (or is at least believed to have been done) by pro-gaddafi forces right?

Who is perpetuating this “belief” though? We cannot rely on Western media for a legitimate insight (as they all share an anti-Gaddafi agenda and thus will portray every negative aspect of the conflict as his doing).

And who with a significant platform is going to challenge such an inaccuracy realistically?







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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #223 on: September 05, 2011, 02:34:28 PM »
Anybody else notice the questionability of these so called "Libyan civilians" they’re putting before cameras voicing support for the anti-Gaddafi efforts? Seem more like Allied spooks.



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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #224 on: September 05, 2011, 03:22:44 PM »
Hey guys, what are your ambitions for the future? Become a reporter perhaps? With the nerve and the courage to go to these warzones? To inform us about the truth? Do you? Shut the fuck up about "the media" otherwise! I know they ain't perfect. But there are people out there trying to inform us as correct as is possible with the tools they have with danger for their own life. And now ignore me, or bash me, neither does bother me, I don't give a fucking fly you fucking arrogant pissheads!! Grow up first to be a real man for fuck sake boys!

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