Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya

[chezequerz]

I don't know how else I can explain that "speculation does not equal fact". But if you can't grasp something as simple as "guessing shit's gonna go bad doesn't mean it will go bad", I really concern for your mental capabilities, you are beginning to remind me an awful lot like ronws

And you seem to struggle to accept that when something is already happening it's no longer speculation.

[Max_Power]

Your proof an "ethnic cleansing" was an article on something happened 2 months ago and never heard of since. 

Tell me, what is happening right now, besides the transitioning period for Libya with a new interim government and a plan for a democratic election within 12 months. And unlike you, I have facts http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Libyan-NTC-Leader-New-Government-in-2-Weeks-132441678.html

[chezequerz]

Your proof an "ethnic cleansing" was an article on something happened 2 months ago and never heard of since. 

Tell me, what is happening right now, besides the transitioning period for Libya with a new interim government and a plan for a democratic election within 12 months. And unlike you, I have facts http://www.voanews.com/english/news/africa/Libyan-NTC-Leader-New-Government-in-2-Weeks-132441678.html

it was several articles from a period of a few months. Here's a news report in video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cslPrRLaQDI&feature=related

It may have been reported on two months ago but what exactly does that change? And for what it's worth this video is 6 days old http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CclKMcf52nQ


here's another look at what you're either supporting or denying the existence of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tw_UJanZe5g

[Max_Power]

Because incidents of rioting gone south has never been heard of, especially during a civil war, plus as of right now there is no government, so libya is in a state of anarchy.

Again, you've not shown any evidence to suggest this is will continue.

[chezequerz]

Because incidents of rioting gone south has never been heard of, especially during a civil war, plus as of right now there is no government, so libya is in a state of anarchy.

Again, you've not shown any evidence to suggest this is will continue.

It's not instances of rioting gone south though, noone rounds up all the blacks in a town and has them "moved" to a place noone can find them, then burns down the city without some kinda governmental help. The rebel commander  was responsible for that one.

They're being investigated for crimes against humanity by several organisations there's irrefutable evidence of the atrocities they've already committed and are still committing daily. Unless pressure is put on them to stop it's not going to stop, and sadly the west wouldn't dare to say that the man we worked to dispose of the ultimate evil now that Osama is dead has now been replaced by racial cleansers doing a worse version of the same thing.

At this point i have n idea exactly what i can show you to prove it. Facts are: every day this shit comes in, organisations are investigating it, there's no international pressure and there are hundreds of witness/victim reports online and so far the LTC haven't shown any sign of attempting to stop it.

[Dr. Jack Daniels]

Because incidents of rioting gone south has never been heard of, especially during a civil war, plus as of right now there is no government, so libya is in a state of anarchy.

Again, you've not shown any evidence to suggest this is will continue.

All he has done is shown you evidence that it will continue.

[Marko0190]

Make money, make war: UK profits from Libya mess

NATO may have ended its operations in Libya, but the Western presence is far from over, with big companies replacing the warplanes. The countries that bombed the oil-rich state are now getting lucrative contracts to rebuild it.

First, British bombs tore it apart. Now, British companies will get paid to put it back together. Libya is open for business, and UK firms are being encouraged to join the gold rush.

“Libya is a relatively wealthy country with oil reserves, and I expect there will be opportunities for British and, indeed, other companies to get involved in the reconstruction of Libya,” British Defense Secretary Philip Hammond has said. He is urging CEOs and sales directors to “pack their suitcases” and head to the North African country.

The UK’s bill for its part in the NATO intervention in Libya is estimated at just under US $500 million. But according to the UK Department of Trade and Investment, the value of contracts to rebuild Libya, in areas ranging from electricity and water supplies to healthcare and education, could amount to upwards of US $300 billion over the next 10 years. And the British government will make sure it takes a leading role in that, just as it did in the war.

And this is what is raising more questions about the UK’s motives in playing such a big role in the recent conflict. John Hilary, the executive director at the War on Want anti-poverty charity, says it has shades of post-war Iraq, when companies from countries involved in the Allied invasion were awarded all the best gigs.

“We bomb, we destroy, and then we get the contracts to rebuild afterwards,” he told RT. “For us [Britain], it’s always been about those commercial interests ever since BP and Shell went back into Libya after the sanctions were lifted 10 years or so ago. For us, it’s got this commercial edge to the entire thing.”

Journalist John Pilger says there was evidence of bartering before NATO even got involved.

“The west is establishing another client in Libya. Libya is the source of more oil than any other country in Africa, including Nigeria,” he said. “The National Transition Council told the French that if they sent in their airplanes they would give Total 35 per cent of the oil reserves. There’s so much evidence for what the thing really is.”

The UK Department for Trade and Investment already has staff on the ground in Libya, ready to welcome British companies awarded contracts. Wanting to get in on the action, are oil firms Shell and BP, whose shares rose on the news they were talking to the transitional government. Engineering firms Arup and Mott MacDonald are also reportedly keen. Both the latter refused to put up spokesmen when asked, preferring instead to send basic statements, which, critics say, is a new tactic to avoid defending their ethics.

“Companies have now seen that it’s a better PR for them not to be involved in any form of public discussion of why they are doing, what they are doing around the world,” John Hilary continued. “It’s about holding them to account for what they do, and not allowing them to get away with putting up a wall of silence.”

So far, the conflict in Libya looks like an excellent investment: US $500 million to oust a dictator, with a return of US $300 billion in business contracts when it is all over. Now that humanitarian goals no longer need to be touted, war suddenly makes great business sense.

http://rt.com/news/profit-libya-companies-british-067/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRi95MZSWsw&feature=channel_video_title

[Crazy Child]

Of course it's gonna be unstable and corrupt; BP and Shell et al, would have it no other way.

You got it! It's all about the money, folks! Same with our bullshit in Iraq and Afghanistan, or any war, for that matter! Listen to Civil War.
Funny how you can find a GNR song to suit many occasions...
Just wanted to point that out...

[Crazy Child]

Nice pics! Further proving the game...

 

[abaraxas]

The US didnt want a bar of this, everybody wants them to save the world and when they do they get shitcanned for it 

[Crazy Child]

The US didnt want a bar of this, everybody wants them to save the world and when they do they get shitcanned for it 

Very true! I live in the US and frankly, I am sick of us sticking our noses in other places, meanwhile, the whole fucking country is going to shit. I am also sick of how we pick our battles, i.e. places that are strategically valuable money or location-wise. 
Examples: we go to Korea to save them from Communism, but totally ignore  the genocide in Tibet.
We go to free Kuwait, but ignore atrocities in Argentina and Central America with the slew of dictators, drug deals, support for dictators dealinging the drug trade, mostly of cocaine,( FYI, THAT is how most coke got into the US and a generation of cokeheads was born) etc. and the "disappeared" in Argentina, people who disappeared due to speaking out against a corrupt government(anyone remember Manuel Noreiga in Nicaragua??) and Eastern Europe's "ethnic cleansing" after the fall of Communism.
There are other examples... but you get the idea...