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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #90 on: March 22, 2011, 03:03:04 PM »
Guess who armed Gaddafi! :)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/mar/01/eu-arms-exports-libya


Funny how you appear to be anti-democratic, yet live in a democracy!

Move to Zimbabwe or N. Korea......All your dreams will come true.  :thumbsup:

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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #91 on: March 22, 2011, 03:19:14 PM »
I can't understand how some people would rather the world cross their arms and just let whatever happens happen. Its no easy choice but I'd rather 100 civilians be killed in battle than 1,000,000 people stay oppressed and be killed whenever any 1 man wants. No one wants the 100 civilians to die but thats how war is.

And those anti war "period" type of people.. Seriously? Just looking the other way makes you feel better? What a perfectly peaceful world you must live in when all you have to do is ignore evil and it goes away. And I also love how they'll come up with 1,000 reasons why not to get involved but can't come up with ONE solid solution for these madmen and their situations.

I was watching the news real quick last night and they said something about Obama not getting the approval from congress before taking action? I freaking hate this dude.., is this true?

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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #92 on: March 22, 2011, 04:50:51 PM »
There is no classic democracy in Libya that's for sure, but here are some facts that I just heard on TV from the man (Miroslav Lazanski) who was in Libya:

Every citizen of Libya does not pay water, electricity, gas.
Libyan student can be educated anywhere in the world.
Students who study abroad, Libya pays tuition, housing, books, car, food. Each month they receive a scholarship of 2300 euros.
Every adult citizen is entitled to a free house
1 euro is enough for 18 gallons of gasoline.
1.5 million citizens from other countries perform heavy manual labor.
Libya has no foreign debt.

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Col. Muamar Gaddafi has been credited for his outstanding role in transforming the socio-economic life of an average Libyan. An average Libyan citizen lives a pompous life.

For instance, every adult citizen is entitled to a free house, free medication, free transport, among other free goodies. According to World Bank statistics and the UNDP Human Development Index (HDI) Report, the per capita income for an average Libyan is far above that of an average Briton.   

Besides, there are other social welfare entitlements such as free quality education up to university or tertiary level. Libyan students who are sponsored to study abroad do not live like ordinary students. They live in posh bungalows as opposed to students' hostels, and they not board taxis but would ride in limousines to lecture halls!

Gadaffi has used the oil resources of Libya to better the lives of his people, something from which Uganda should borrow a leaf. Recently, Gadaffi came up with a policy to avail hard dollars to his people, from the sale of oil. All that is required of them is to send their bank account details to Government and once the oil revenue flows in, they just line up at banks to receive their pay.

With this kind of free money, an average Libyan citizen spends his or her income on specifically food and luxuries, given the fact that all other needs are duly catered for by the state. They don't have to pay for education, water, electricity, medication or transport (since Government dishes out free vehicles to every adult citizen).

But Gaddafi is doing all these good things for his people on condition that they do not oppose him in anyway. Methinks a person who gives you everything you need in life, on condition that you dance to his tune, is a good dictator as opposed to one who does not give you anything but expects you to dip from the same cup with him.

BTW There is no Arab country from Morocco to Saudi Arabia with democratic system except Lebanon. People rebelled only in Libya? Yeah right.. I am more convinced than ever that all of this is orchestrated.

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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #93 on: March 22, 2011, 05:31:05 PM »
Guess who armed Gaddafi! :)


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So Libya was Utopia? Ah, that's why many Libyans left their 'democratic' country....
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #94 on: March 22, 2011, 06:34:15 PM »
Guess who armed Gaddafi! :)



And you lot started World War 1. So fucking what?
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #95 on: March 22, 2011, 06:45:54 PM »
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BTW There is no Arab country from Morocco to Saudi Arabia with democratic system except Lebanon. People rebelled only in Libya? Yeah right.. I am more convinced than ever that all of this is orchestrated.

Yes, you're right. Oh, except for Egypt, Bahrain, Jordan and all the other places where uprisings have taken place or are threatening to :)

As for the rest of it, it sounds like Libya is a wonderful place to live. But I can't help wonder that if it is such a nice place to live, why is the country in such a sorry state right now?
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« Reply #96 on: March 22, 2011, 08:21:10 PM »
Yes, you're right. Oh, except for Egypt, Bahrain, Jordan and all the other places where uprisings have taken place or are threatening to :)

As for the rest of it, it sounds like Libya is a wonderful place to live. But I can't help wonder that if it is such a nice place to live, why is the country in such a sorry state right now?

Let's not forget Yemen




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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #97 on: March 22, 2011, 08:27:05 PM »
And Yemen! It's a hell there too. And even in Qatar people rallied. The only state where the revolution was peaceful and where it all started in January is Tunisia. Was that orchestrated too? I don't think so. Kaddafi and Saleh are the most crazy ones of all those dictators.

Marko, as for the weapon industry: it's a very dark, shadowy business. Where did Milosevic's and his nice friends got their weapons? Just asking?
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #98 on: March 23, 2011, 01:08:41 AM »
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US fighter jet crash lands in field near Benghazi...It is thought the F-15E fighter jet came to ground after suffering a mechanical failure.



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Old news. The army industry is the most profitable, rich, opportunist and ruthless industry in this world.
So Libya was Utopia? Ah, that's why many Libyans left their 'democratic' country....

That news shows the hypocrisy of the West, not matter if the news is old or not.
They have fled from areas affected by war. BTW many places that are controlled by the rebels have been looted.

Of course that Libya is not a utopia. I wonder, why are they against? There is no reason for social unrest (as in many EU countries for example). Well, what they want? Free Elections? Whether free elections bring them a better life, deeply doubt it. they want freedom? OK, how much we in democratic countries have freedom? Government will ban anything they want, only difference is that there will be in a legal democratic way.

And you lot started World War 1. So fucking what?

And let me guess, Jews caused World War II?

The assassination of Franz Ferdinand was just an excuse for war that the Austro-Hungarian planned. Of course, that assassination was very naive. After the assassination, Austro-Hungariany offered ultimatum knowing that Serbia (like any other sovereign country) will not accept something like that.
And I am very proud of that part of our history, much of the war, we have opposed one of the greatest powers of that time. Serbia had the largest number of victims in the war, 28 percent of the total population in 1914.

Yes, you're right. Oh, except for Egypt, Bahrain, Jordan and all the other places where uprisings have taken place or are threatening to :)

You are absolutely right. My question is completely misspelled. :fpalm: Anyway, despite all the riots in northern Africa, as you also noted, the intervention was necessary only in Libya?

As for the rest of it, it sounds like Libya is a wonderful place to live. But I can't help wonder that if it is such a nice place to live, why is the country in such a sorry state right now?

As I said, Libya is not ideal, but not the worst place in the world. What's more, the Libyans have had a pretty good standard, and a social program, which many other countries can only dream of.

Why is the country in such state now, I wonder the same.

Marko, as for the weapon industry: it's a very dark, shadowy business. Where did Milosevic's and his nice friends got their weapons? Just asking?

Nowhere. Most of the weapons was purchased from the Soviet Union in the 80's. Other is a domestically produced.

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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #99 on: March 23, 2011, 01:14:12 AM »
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You are absolutely right. My question is completely misspelled.  Anyway, despite all the riots in northern Africa, as you also noted, the intervention was necessary only in Libya?

Uh... maybe because the gov't started massacring the people? Or the fact that Libyans begged, actually begged for foreign intervention?

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As I said, Libya is not ideal, but not the worst place in the world. What's more, the Libyans have had a pretty good standard, and a social program, which many other countries can only dream of.

Why is the country in such state now, I wonder the same.

Oh yeah, they had good standards of living. I can only remember the last time the military opened fire on me
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #100 on: March 23, 2011, 01:18:02 AM »
My point is; The world changes. What's happened in the past has no bearing on what's happening now.

Simple enough for you?
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #101 on: March 23, 2011, 01:53:51 AM »
random question (too sleepy to check all the pages).....why libya and not darfur? is it because the US has to rule everyone that has oil?

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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #102 on: March 23, 2011, 01:57:46 AM »
Last time I checked, the official policy was there is to be NO foreign occupancy of Libya.
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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #103 on: March 23, 2011, 02:01:27 AM »
Uh... maybe because the gov't started massacring the people? Or the fact that Libyans begged, actually begged for foreign intervention?

Oh yeah, they had good standards of living. I can only remember the last time the military opened fire on me

Gaddafi is not supported by approximately 20% of the people and tribes around Benghazi. These rebels are heavily armed, they won city by city and robbed everything. Will they bring prosperity in Libya? Who was begging for help? Armed rebels?

How they can be sure that the rebels are good guys and the legal army of Libyan state are criminals?

BTW who should intervene in Afghanistan? These is the latest leak of information about massacred civilians.

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A group of rogue US Army soldiers in Afghanistan killed innocent civilians and then posed with their bodies.


http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,752310,00.html

random question (too sleepy to check all the pages).....why libya and not darfur? is it because the US has to rule everyone that has oil?

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Re: Allied Powers Declare Military Action Against Libya
« Reply #104 on: March 23, 2011, 02:27:52 AM »


I didn't say I didn't believe you, my point was that I don't care that NATO bombed your country. There's a difference.




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