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[jplpool]

referring to sweet child o' mine video

"That video was fine; it was just another long two day sit around shoot. As long as there was a live performance element to it, I was fine with the whole thing"

really? so wonder what would of happened if there was no live element to it? would he have then been not fine? and what would that involve?

[jplpool]

yes brian,you are right but then would that not make slash a dictator? at least musically? would or should slash have any more right than Axl to decide what he was happy with and what guns should sound like?

[pawnshop-guitars]

This is how I see it:

Axl wanted to move the band in a new direction. Slash did not. Therefore, they argued. And each one has a legitimate claim that the other was trying to control the band, since they were arguing over the artistic direction of the band. So neither of them is lying. The difference is, Slash has been very active in the press, so the press will side with him over Axl any day of the week if they think it will keep getting them stories. I really think it's pointless trying to lay the blame at anyone's door - it was a musical disagreement, which led to Slash leaving the band. Which on it's own sounds fine. Like if you don't like a job, you resign. But the media got hold of the story and ran with it, until we are in the position we are in now. So if you want to blame anyone, blame the media.

[jplpool]

This is how I see it:

Axl wanted to move the band in a new direction. Slash did not. Therefore, they argued. And each one has a legitimate claim that the other was trying to control the band, since they were arguing over the artistic direction of the band. So neither of them is lying. The difference is, Slash has been very active in the press, so the press will side with him over Axl any day of the week if they think it will keep getting them stories. I really think it's pointless trying to lay the blame at anyone's door - it was a musical disagreement, which led to Slash leaving the band. Which on it's own sounds fine. Like if you don't like a job, you resign. But the media got hold of the story and ran with it, until we are in the position we are in now. So if you want to blame anyone, blame the media.

really?
well that gives me an excuse to throw in another quote from slash
"I'd like to state, very simply once more why I chose not to continue with guns n' roses,so that no1 feels the to ask again.......1) the constant disrespect for everyone involved,by going on late night after night after night, 2) the legal manipulation that Axl forced on us,from ownership of the name, to downgrading us contractually to hired hands,and 3) losing Izzy and Steven,who were such an integral part of the bands sound and character.....witho ut them the band no longer had its original chemistry."(and btw slash was very much FOR Steven's dismissal)
slash also states (although this is not a direct quote,as I'm just reading through the book for a second time,after digesting Axl's comments)......that he would of been prepared to an industrial album if Axl wanted to even though Axl has stated this was never an option,and that all of the demos done were based around slash' blues based guitar work,Slash has been asked to respond,to Axl' remarks recently and he said something along the lines of......ummm ye whatever its taken him so long to say it that it don't really matter anymore..........ye right!....thats why slash only went public in his book in 2007! and charged me the sum of ten pound 87 pence,for the privilege!     

[ALiX-Rose]

hmmm is this Slash admitting that there was maybe times when the partying became more important than the music?

hmmmm no. his friend (Nikki) overdosed and he was worried/excided and friends were more important than the music.

really? so wonder what would of happened if there was no live element to it? would he have then been not fine? and what would that involve?

he's saying that he didn't care for the other parts, like Erin sitting there or Izzy scratching that dog. he didn't mind them because there were live element, if there had not been live element he would not have wanted the other shoots.

yes brian,you are right but then would that not make slash a dictator? at least musically? would or should slash have any more right than Axl to decide what he was happy with and what guns should sound like?

but the thing is:

it is and has always been the other way around. it has always needed Axl's say so.

This is how I see it:

Axl wanted to move the band in a new direction. Slash did not. Therefore, they argued. And each one has a legitimate claim that the other was trying to control the band, since they were arguing over the artistic direction of the band. So neither of them is lying. The difference is, Slash has been very active in the press, so the press will side with him over Axl any day of the week if they think it will keep getting them stories. I really think it's pointless trying to lay the blame at anyone's door - it was a musical disagreement, which led to Slash leaving the band. Which on it's own sounds fine. Like if you don't like a job, you resign. But the media got hold of the story and ran with it, until we are in the position we are in now. So if you want to blame anyone, blame the media.

another great post from the genius of NewGnR.com.

really?
well that gives me an excuse to throw in another quote from slash
"I'd like to state, very simply once more why I chose not to continue with guns n' roses,so that no1 feels the to ask again.......1) the constant disrespect for everyone involved,by going on late night after night after night, 2) the legal manipulation that Axl forced on us,from ownership of the name, to downgrading us contractually to hired hands,and 3) losing Izzy and Steven,who were such an integral part of the bands sound and character.....witho ut them the band no longer had its original chemistry."(and btw slash was very much FOR Steven's dismissal)

yes because Steven was inable to play due to drug habits. go to HTGTH and find the part where it says that both Axl and Slash did everything they could to try to help him (including theatening dealers) before they gave up and fired him. and Slash NEVER wanted Izzy to leave. in an interview with Axl and Slash in 94 they were asked: "is Izzy helping you out on the next album" and Axl responded "no! never again. *laughs*" and Slash said "we brought Izzy back on the last tour when Gilby broke his arm and you know... it was good to have him back and...." and that Axl interupted by saying "and now it's good that he's gone!". and i think that the rest of what Slash said in the above is quite reasonable. but he too did some things that shows Axl disrespect and so on. (like telling him to just shut the hell up and sing.)

slash also states (although this is not a direct quote,as I'm just reading through the book for a second time,after digesting Axl's comments)......that he would of been prepared to an industrial album if Axl wanted to even though Axl has stated this was never an option,and that all of the demos done were based around slash' blues based guitar work,Slash has been asked to respond,to Axl' remarks recently and he said something along the lines of......ummm ye whatever its taken him so long to say it that it don't really matter anymore..........ye right!....thats why slash only went public in his book in 2007! and charged me the sum of ten pound 87 pence,for the privilege!    

you're right. all the demos were based on Slash's bluesy guitar and Axl didn't like it so Slash released it as "Slash's Snakepit - It's Five O'Clock Somewhere.". Axl did chance his minf afterwards and did want to use some of the songs but Slash had already released the Snakepit so...

[jplpool]

alix u lost me with ur first point,i never even read the rest.......read this sentence,because you dont seem to understand anything I say............."Every day that i spent in Hermosa Beach I was one day closer to exploding. The guitar parts on Lies took me exactly two days, if anything, I was so exited to be back in L.A , that I ripped through them too quickly-I wish it had all taken longer"

[ALiX-Rose]

  ok sorry. it's too long since i read this book. i'll have to read read through it again to be sure.

[pawnshop-guitars]

really?
well that gives me an excuse to throw in another quote from slash
"I'd like to state, very simply once more why I chose not to continue with guns n' roses,so that no1 feels the to ask again.......1) the constant disrespect for everyone involved,by going on late night after night after night, 2) the legal manipulation that Axl forced on us,from ownership of the name, to downgrading us contractually to hired hands,and 3) losing Izzy and Steven,who were such an integral part of the bands sound and character.....witho ut them the band no longer had its original chemistry."(and btw slash was very much FOR Steven's dismissal)
slash also states (although this is not a direct quote,as I'm just reading through the book for a second time,after digesting Axl's comments)......that he would of been prepared to an industrial album if Axl wanted to even though Axl has stated this was never an option,and that all of the demos done were based around slash' blues based guitar work,Slash has been asked to respond,to Axl' remarks recently and he said something along the lines of......ummm ye whatever its taken him so long to say it that it don't really matter anymore..........ye right!....thats why slash only went public in his book in 2007! and charged me the sum of ten pound 87 pence,for the privilege!    

Ok - I should explain more. In my last post, I was saying that the misconception that one of them was trying to control the band and the other is the innocent victim is wrong, as they were both trying to put the band in their desired direction. By musical disagreement, I meant they couldn't agree how to write songs. Slash wanted to do it like they always had, and Axl wanted to do it the way he eventually did with Chi Dem. Which is the part about being "hired hands". The other points are personal to Slash, and the media doesn't ever go on about them, in the same way as "Axl was a control freak". I was never addressing those. OK - my closing comment is this:

If the other members had written books, you could do this exact same thing, and pick holes in it all day long. Words can be twisted and the original meaning of what the author is trying to convey can be lost through the medium of the written word. So, you can read between the lines. But you won't learn anything more, only more questions and half truths.

[jplpool]

Ok - I should explain more. In my last post, I was saying that the misconception that one of them was trying to control the band and the other is the innocent victim is wrong, as they were both trying to put the band in their desired direction. By musical disagreement, I meant they couldn't agree how to write songs. Slash wanted to do it like they always had, and Axl wanted to do it the way he eventually did with Chi Dem. Which is the part about being "hired hands". The other points are personal to Slash, and the media doesn't ever go on about them, in the same way as "Axl was a control freak". I was never addressing those. OK - my closing comment is this:

If the other members had written books, you could do this exact same thing, and pick holes in it all day long. Words can be twisted and the original meaning of what the author is trying to convey can be lost through the medium of the written word. So, you can read between the lines. But you won't learn anything more, only more questions and half truths.

not that I'm finished yet,but the likeliness is, that, they were all to blame,I'm just taking a good hard look at slash and questioning his holier than thou appearance to the mass media cool.............an earlier post of mine

[ALiX-Rose]

i think Duff was the only innocent one. Izzy left when the band really needed him and Slash and Axl were the fighters.

[chainsmoker]

not that I'm finished yet,but the likeliness is, that, they were all to blame,I'm just taking a good hard look at slash and questioning his holier than thou appearance to the mass media cool.............an earlier post of mine

What about Axl's 100% completey blameless vibe that he gives off too? According to Axl it is mainly Slash's
fault and according to Slash it is mainly Axl's fault. Quite obviously they are as bad as each other.

I think Slash just tells his side of the story because people ask him so much, he doesn't come across as
holier than thou to me, just like anyone involved in an argument he see's his side as right and tells people.
I would too.

[jplpool]

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What about Axl's 100% completey blameless vibe that he gives off too? According to Axl it is mainly Slash's
fault and according to Slash it is mainly Axl's fault. Quite obviously they are as bad as each other.

I think Slash just tells his side of the story because people ask him so much, he doesn't come across as
holier than thou to me, just like anyone involved in an argument he see's his side as right and tells people.
I would too.

well ummm axl's 100%  completely blameless vibe, ermm axl has been blamed for years,as I've stated, I believe it's probably a mutual blame thing,theres no mileage in the blame axl argument its been a one sided argument for years.
but hey what the fuck do i know? all I know is that we know have to different versions of events and all I can say for certain is that only one of them is correct,or that neither version is correct.

[Euterpe]

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well ummm axl's 100%  completely blameless vibe, ermm axl has been blamed for years,as I've stated, I believe it's probably a mutual blame thing,theres no mileage in the blame axl argument its been a one sided argument for years.
but hey what the fuck do i know? all I know is that we know have to different versions of events and all I can say for certain is that only one of them is correct,or that neither version is correct.

I agree on the Axl has been blamed for years thing...and thats really the only part of this whole thread I understand

This is like the most confusing thread Ive ever read in my whole time on here....will someone help me to understand it??

[jplpool]

I agree on the Axl has been blamed for years thing...and thats really the only part of this whole thread I understand

This is like the most confusing thread Ive ever read in my whole time on here....will someone help me to understand it??

the bits in "" are quotes from the book slash anything else is me asking questions

[Euterpe]

the bits in "" are quotes from the book slash anything else is me asking questions

Okay..
I get it...ok not really but Im starting to.

Is this a new version of the Axl/Slash blame game by any chance?