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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #90 on: February 08, 2009, 12:48:07 AM »
I can see clearly that some people are experiencing a sense of  Apathy, or even lethargy for something they have been anticipating for such a long time.

  Whether the Album was good or not it was Always going to be scrutinized meticulously above and beyond anything else...Reviewers,as objective as they are :O .... Still believe and buy into the spin that literally engulfed an Album such as C.D.
 
  When it arrived, and didn't stop Global warming,or cure cancer or in fact Doesn't Change their little lives...It becomes an Instant failure to them. Thus you have the uber
critics with unreasonable expectations about C.D. which
carries a mythic aura with it,and surrounding it.

Personally I think this Album hasn't hit it's peak yet,whether it goes mainstream or simply gathers a cult
following,People were ready and waiting to watch GNRs
fall on their faces,and ready with their verbal blades to slice it up,and mutilate it all because it didn't jive with their expectations.

It's a shame they can't enjoy it, due to some personal vendetta or failed expectation.IMO it honestly is a good
Album and only time will tell the story.

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Another good article, thank you W. :nod:

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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #91 on: February 08, 2009, 01:17:26 AM »
Most of my posts contain a link to an item that is indeed GNR related,Now the flamepit is where you can go to complain if something is bothering you-that is why it is there.Now everybody knows flames are associated with hades,so if I tell you to go to hell,I'm speaking of the flamepit,of course. :smirk:
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Youre not one to split hairs are you?(unless it suits you) thats the type of response I expected from you,and of course there will be plenty of your buddies to back you up therefore making it ok...thanks for defining what the flamers section is for BTW
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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #92 on: February 08, 2009, 03:59:05 AM »
Youre not one to split hairs are you?(unless it suits you) thats the type of response I expected from you,and of course there will be plenty of your buddies to back you up therefore making it ok...thanks for defining what the flamers section is for BTW
Would you care for detailed directions? If not stay on topic.
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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #93 on: February 08, 2009, 04:00:34 AM »
Like I give a f%$k.
Practice what you preach.
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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2009, 08:45:23 AM »
Ahem; Why are you polluting the board and going off topic to complain about it?

I have no problem with this discussion being moved to a more proper location by the moderators, but the discussion in itself is important, and my point is: you should not be allowed to use this forum as your personal notebook or chat room.

If you do not understand that personal messages over public discussion boards reduce the usefulness of the boards, then you are stupid; and if you still feel that you and your "gang" should be allowed to do this, then you are out of your mind. So what are you?
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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #95 on: February 08, 2009, 08:53:12 AM »
Now the flamepit is where you can go to complain if something is bothering you-that is why it is there.

No, the flame section is not designed for complaining, it is for telling you "fuck you" and other worthless personal attacks. I know you are only a man-boy, "Warchild", but try to act your age and take some serious criticism as a man for once:

* Posting personal messages in public discussion boards are rude; would you use a megaphone to talk to your neighbour across the street?

* Not being able to stand up for yourself without resorting to call on the "gang" is completely meaningless (and childish and immature) on a board where discussions are settled not by the number of members who deliver them, or how many times they are repeated, but by the value of the argument itself.
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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2009, 12:25:54 PM »
Oh my fucking God, I can´t believe you are still with this. And they say I´m stubborn :lol:

Good morning, by the way. :coffee


WC don´t check your pms, I haven´t sent you any  :lol:

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Why do you have to be so condescending? Are you being sarcastic,or do you realise how hypocritical you are warchild? Practice what you preach-getting all high and mighty is pretty silly when there is at least a half dozen threads in this section created by you that are just your twisted opinion instead of any real news. :disgust:
http://www.newgnr.com/forum/index.php?topic=39044.0

http://www.newgnr.com/forum/index.php?topic=39027.0

http://www.newgnr.com/forum/index.php?topic=39047.0

http://www.newgnr.com/forum/index.php?topic=39048.0

http://www.newgnr.com/forum/index.php?topic=39046.0

Just to post a few...




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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #97 on: February 08, 2009, 12:36:37 PM »
Oh my fucking God, I can´t believe you are still with this.

Your fucking god?

I will continue to reply and respond until "Warchild" actually manages to address the critique and not just immaturely weasel away from it with his irrelevant, rambling "answers".

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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #98 on: February 08, 2009, 12:55:59 PM »
Your fucking god?

I will continue to reply and respond until "Warchild" actually manages to address the critique and not just immaturely weasel away from it with his irrelevant, rambling "answers".
LOL now, now, do you pretend to teach manners to Warchild?  :lol:

Hmm talking about manners, didn´t they tell you that not answering when someone says good morning to you is very IMPOLITE? :upset
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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #99 on: February 08, 2009, 02:33:06 PM »
LOL now, now, do you pretend to teach manners to Warchild?  :lol:

Someone has neglected their responsibility, and I'm sure that old dog can learn some new tricks.

Hmm talking about manners, didn´t they tell you that not answering when someone says good morning to you is very IMPOLITE? :upset

Not bothering all the readers of a public discussion board with banal chit chat is even more impolite. And besides, it reduces the value of that discussion board.

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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #100 on: February 08, 2009, 06:44:01 PM »
Someone has neglected their responsibility, and I'm sure that old dog can learn some new tricks.

Not bothering all the readers of a public discussion board with banal chit chat is even more impolite. And besides, it reduces the value of that discussion board.
Soulmonster is it polite to ask you if you have an issue with the way someone posts. Or the way someone says good morning in a post that you take it up with a moderador?
Or do you think it is polite to have a couple of pages of whining about it. dont you think that also demeans and is inpolite to other users. Not to mentioned how you are calling us name in it, even being rude to people you havent had a problem with like me?
Would it be Polite and ok if I requested that you take this issue to another section or another thread in this case..
Im a bit confused you are making a big deal about something yet in that same manner you are being rude and condesending and also generalizing. Is it polite if I call you a Hypocrit for it?
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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #101 on: February 08, 2009, 07:48:20 PM »
Again, you say things as if WC´s only purpose was to fight deliberately which isn´t true. If I´m not wrong, someone complained because WC and this Dave guy and some more were discussing whether CD was overproduced and all that stuff, and someone said that WC should start his own thread to discuss that...etc, and he did it so where´s the problem?

Except, his purpose was only to fight, which would be quite clearly obvious to you if only you could take an objective view of him. As I showed in this thread: http://www.newgnr.com/forum/index.php?topic=39030.0
I also said there should be a thread for production, in the CD section (it's hardly news), but that's not what bothered me with that thread. The fact is that W/C made the thread, dave posted his opinion on the topic, which I didn't agree with, but atleast he wrote it civily and responded to W/C's comments, only for W/C to bash him and start the name calling. So, to your question, that's where the problem is.

Yes, you offend when you talk too so before accusing others pay attention to what you say first. Are you going to deny that calling someone a mindless cronie is not offensive or said with contempt? And again, I didn´t jump on you, I quoted your post because I didn´t agree with what you said and because I wanted to defend my friend. Hell! the way you say it sounds as if I was obsessed with you  :rolleyes:

For the record; I have never treated you with contempt. I have never once spoken about you as though you were retarded, which W/C has done to people, and the closest I've come to 'name-calling', (feel free to prove me wrong If I've missed something) is just now when I called you a "mindless cronie". maybe "mindless" was unneccesary, but I can live with it knowing that I've treated you with a lot more respect than you've shown me. However, you show all the traits of a "crony". As far as I can tell, (again, feel free to prove me wrong), you've never once criticised W/C's behaviour, and yet jump on others for much less. Far from treating you with contenpt, I've always tried to respond to your comments, rather than cherry picking individual remarks as others do.
Incidentally, I never claimed, or made it sound, like you were obsessed with me, I just stated the facts. As it happens, of the two of us, I'm the only one whose ever been labelled a "stalker" and a "troll", though not neccesarily by you.

Are you going to tell me that this isn´t true? You can´t stand Warchild and you go attack him even if you are not involved in the conversation. Oh, yes, I forgot you are the almighty incarnation of just and you will call WC out in the name of justice  :rolleyes:

Do I jump on him in every thread? No. Check most of his vacuous threads. I don't say anything. I 'attack' him when he's treating other users like shit. Have you a problem with that? And as for the second sentance of that post, it's almost so pathetic I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to it. I will try, however. When have I made any comment that even remotely ties in with what you are saying? I quite openly don't like the way W/C treats people, and I generally say something if I see it, as I would in everyday life. Last time I checked, it's not a crime, or even particulary unsociable, to make a critique of someone's behaviour. Much like you do to me.

It´s a pitty you mistake true friendship and loyalty with "gang mentality". Oh, and I guess supporting the band 100% is a crime, and I also guess that we are ruining the forum because we suppport our favourite band and because we speak our minds...maybe that´s worse than polluting the forum with bullshit, or imposing opinions as fact, or spend all the time in here calling each other faggot.

I'm friends with other users on the forum, such as RoseHudson, Pawnshop, Abaraxas, and others, even Farid, to an extent (you know I love ya Farid  ;)). I don't jump on users if they have a disagreement with one of those users, only if they are treating them like shit. That is the difference. Also, when have I critisiced the band? I haven't. Gn'R are my favourite band as well (with Zeppelin), so trying to turn this into an issue about 'haters' vs 'supporter's is pathetic. It's an issue of civility. I speak my mind too, but in the news section I try to be respectful, unless someone has allready started an argument, even if it's not neccesarily with me. "Polluting the forum with bullshit"?. It's not me that's been turning otherwise amicable threads into arguments, that's W/C, as in the thread I posted above. Also, i don't impose my opinion as fact, that's one of W/C's choice traits. And the faggot comment's are kept soley to the flamer section. Seems to me that, if you were to take an objective view, you'd realise that you just critisiced W/C's entire character.

I wasn´t being arrogant, the way you talked to me sounded like I had nothing better to do than go after you when what happened was just that I was online at that moment and saw your post.It was a mere chance and you acted all scandalized like " I posted and less than 2 mins she...bla bla bla". And again, I have more important things to do than go after you " in less than 2 minutes"  :coffee

I was just stating fact's, I posted, and within 2 minutes, you had jumped on me for it, as has happened countless times before. And as I said before, it wasn't true arrogance, if only because you're incapable of pulling it off (take that one as a compliment).
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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #102 on: February 08, 2009, 07:54:05 PM »
I was going to answer but I think I´m going to wait more than 2 minutes  :coffee
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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #103 on: February 08, 2009, 08:35:14 PM »
Have I waited enough? I don´t want you to feel like I´m jumping on you  :coffee

Except, his purpose was only to fight, which would be quite clearly obvious to you if only you could take an objective view of him. As I showed in this thread: http://www.newgnr.com/forum/index.php?topic=39030.0
I also said there should be a thread for production, in the CD section (it's hardly news), but that's not what bothered me with that thread. The fact is that W/C made the thread, dave posted his opinion on the topic, which I didn't agree with, but atleast he wrote it civily and responded to W/C's comments, only for W/C to bash him and start the name calling. So, to your question, that's where the problem is.

Again, Warchild didn´t post with the purpose to fight. Oh, and let me remind you that Dave has bashed other users too and a lot of people are sick of him trying to impose his views on us, and he´s not as civil as you say.



For the record; I have never treated you with contempt. I have never once spoken about you as though you were retarded, which W/C has done to people, and the closest I've come to 'name-calling', (feel free to prove me wrong If I've missed something) is just now when I called you a "mindless cronie". maybe "mindless" was unneccesary, but I can live with it knowing that I've treated you with a lot more respect than you've shown me. However, you show all the traits of a "crony". As far as I can tell, (again, feel free to prove me wrong), you've never once criticised W/C's behaviour, and yet jump on others for much less. Far from treating you with contenpt, I've always tried to respond to your comments, rather than cherry picking individual remarks as others do.
Incidentally, I never claimed, or made it sound, like you were obsessed with me, I just stated the facts. As it happens, of the two of us, I'm the only one whose ever been labelled a "stalker" and a "troll", though not neccesarily by you.

Yes, you have treated me with contempt a few posts ago and you have treated me as if I was retarded. You don´t say it but you take advantage because you know English isn´t my language and I can´t express myself as well as you. And for your information, I have criticised Wc´s behaviour and I always tell him what I think.


Do I jump on him in every thread? No. Check most of his vacuous threads. I don't say anything. I 'attack' him when he's treating other users like shit. Have you a problem with that? And as for the second sentance of that post, it's almost so pathetic I don't know why I'm bothering to respond to it. I will try, however. When have I made any comment that even remotely ties in with what you are saying? I quite openly don't like the way W/C treats people, and I generally say something if I see it, as I would in everyday life. Last time I checked, it's not a crime, or even particulary unsociable, to make a critique of someone's behaviour. Much like you do to me.

I´m not criticising your behaviour as you do with Warchild´s. And you talk as if his only purpose was to attack people only for the sake of it. I guess I won´t have the pleasure of seeing you defending him when he is attacked by others " as you would do in real life ". There are certain users who bash him every time he opens his mouth, and some of them came from another forum with the only purpose of stalking him and troll every single post or topic in which he posted. There are other users who rarely posted in the news section and now WC is posting here, they come to provoke and to pick fights and then when WC attacks them they turn it all as if they were the victims. I guess you haven´t seen all that.


I'm friends with other users on the forum, such as RoseHudson, Pawnshop, Abaraxas, and others, even Farid, to an extent (you know I love ya Farid  ;)). I don't jump on users if they have a disagreement with one of those users, only if they are treating them like shit. That is the difference. Also, when have I critisiced the band? I haven't. Gn'R are my favourite band as well (with Zeppelin), so trying to turn this into an issue about 'haters' vs 'supporter's is pathetic. It's an issue of civility. I speak my mind too, but in the news section I try to be respectful, unless someone has allready started an argument, even if it's not neccesarily with me. "Polluting the forum with bullshit"?. It's not me that's been turning otherwise amicable threads into arguments, that's W/C, as in the thread I posted above. Also, i don't impose my opinion as fact, that's one of W/C's choice traits. And the faggot comment's are kept soley to the flamer section. Seems to me that, if you were to take an objective view, you'd realise that you just critisiced W/C's entire character.


I wasn´t accusing YOU of all those things, I just used them as examples. And sorry but it´s not WC the one who tries to impose his views.And yes, you jump on him and attack him with the excuse of defending others even when you are not involved.


I was just stating fact's, I posted, and within 2 minutes, you had jumped on me for it, as has happened countless times before. And as I said before, it wasn't true arrogance, if only because you're incapable of pulling it off (take that one as a compliment).

And as I´ve told you a few times, I quoted your post within less than two minutes as a MERE CHANCE. I didn´t jump on you,see? you´re talking again as if I was obsessed with you, that´s what you imply with your words.
And no, it wasn´t true arrogance because it wasn´t even arrogance. I only told you that I have better things to do than focusing on you BECAUSE you implied that I went after you, as if I had a fixation with you (which I don´t).
And dude, In sick and tired of this stupid discussion so don´t bother responding because I won´t answer. :no

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Re: In Defense of GNR & Chinese Democracy
« Reply #104 on: February 08, 2009, 08:35:35 PM »
Soulmonster is it polite to ask you if you have an issue with the way someone posts. Or the way someone says good morning in a post that you take it up with a moderador?

The moderators don't read the board? I thought they would pick up on this automatically. And why would we have to bring the moderators in, are you not able to think for yourself and understand that private messages are best not sent over public discussion boards? Will you not understand this until a moderator tells you or enforces it? How sad...

Or do you think it is polite to have a couple of pages of whining about it. dont you think that also demeans and is inpolite to other users.

No, this discussion is about the quality of the board and could (and should) be of interest to many, in contrast to, let's say, private messages between "the gang".

Not to mentioned how you are calling us name in it, even being rude to people you havent had a problem with like me?

What have I called you?

Would it be Polite and ok if I requested that you take this issue to another section or another thread in this case..
Im a bit confused you are making a big deal about something yet in that same manner you are being rude and condesending and also generalizing. Is it polite if I call you a Hypocrit for it?

Call me exactly what you want, I don't care, actually I would probably enjoy it. Because if you call me something there's only one of two things that can happen:
1) I understand that you are right in your name-calling and makes an effort to improve myself. I would thank you for your input because I become a better person or adapts to never get in the same situation again. In other words, it is good.
2) You make a fool of yourself. I might enjoy that. In other words, it is good.

And as I've said many times, it's perfectly fine with me if this discussion is removed by the moderators to somewhere more fitting. As it is, this thread was where it started, that's why it is here, but I clearly see it is irrelevant to the topic and wouldn't mind at all if it was relocated. The reason why it keeps going on, keeps dragging on, why I have to repeat my self ad nauseam is you guys from "the gang" keep popping up and asking the same questions over and over again. One would think and hope you were more coordinated.

And to your last thing about me being a hypocrite: you would be right if I were actually not able to do as I say. But what I say is to not send private messages on public message boards, and I am quite confident that this is something I don't do. I have never said don't be aggressive when discussing with dimwits, so I don't feel I've become a hypocrite. In other words, what we have here is a number two: you've made a fool of yourself.
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