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Re: CATCHER IN THE RYE - Official Thread!
« Reply #105 on: April 20, 2009, 11:59:35 PM »
I doubt it, Axl doesn't like the book.

But im sure in one of the online chats he said one of the lines was from the book but im not 100% sure
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« Reply #106 on: April 21, 2009, 12:02:59 AM »
But im sure in one of the online chats he said one of the lines was from the book but im not 100% sure

That was Atlas Shrugged.
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« Reply #107 on: April 21, 2009, 12:30:18 AM »
It was Atlas Shrugged. But Axl was more interested in the Holden what'shisface syndrome than the book
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« Reply #108 on: April 21, 2009, 01:25:12 AM »
No there was defenetly some refrence to a line in the book it might have been "How a body took a body a gave that boy a gun" im sooo sure
He said that atlas shrugged had a line about shoulders not being wide enough? right?
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« Reply #109 on: April 21, 2009, 01:27:52 AM »
No there was defenetly some refrence to a line in the book it might have been "How a body took a body a gave that boy a gun" im sooo sure
He said that atlas shrugged had a line about shoulders not being wide enough? right?
yes i think so
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Re: CATCHER IN THE RYE - Official Thread!
« Reply #110 on: April 21, 2009, 01:38:02 AM »
Quote from:  link=topic=36509.msg1051412#msg1051412 date=1240273672

Christos from Greece here...

First of all, thank you Axl for answering all these questions.

Both of my questions are about Catcher and they're a bit strange and may sound stupid to some but what the fuck...

1) Many people consider number 7 to be a lucky number (including me). Is this a good reason why Catcher is on number 7, or was it just random placement?

2) "How a body took a body and gave that boy a gun". Sorry for my english, but if you could explain to me what this means, I would be gratefull...

3) Don't care about May's solos (even though I love the guy), the song is pure magic, just like This I Love.


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Axl's answer =

The # was random but the sequence is intentional.

It's a line from the book used to infer it may have helped to inspire a senseless killing.





I belive that's 1-0 to me guys :slywink:


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Re: CATCHER IN THE RYE - Official Thread!
« Reply #111 on: April 21, 2009, 02:03:07 AM »

Axl's answer =

The # was random but the sequence is intentional.

It's a line from the book used to infer it may have helped to inspire a senseless killing.





I belive that's 1-0 to me guys :slywink:




And I shall clarify, as I have actually read the book, "Catcher in the Rye." I even had a thread about in the Whatever section.

A body took a body is sung by a little boy in the book. Holden Caulfield hears it and it sticks with him. Later, he talks to his younger sister and she tells him it's actually from a poem about children playing in field of rye, which is a grain, most times used in bread. So, Holden builds this fantasy of himself as being in the field of rye, which is next to the edge of a cliff and he is there to prevent the children from falling off the cliff by catching them as the wander toward that edge. Hence, catcher (as in kid catcher) in the rye. Many have taken this as Holden seeing himself as a protector of innocence, where falling off the cliff is the lost of innocence, something he, himself may be avoiding. He comes closest to being the self-appointed catcher in the rye by not leaving his family after all. His sister was going to leave and he couldn't allow her innocence to be crushed in the cold, hard world. So, he sacrificed his run for freedom, stayed, and wound up in a hospital and writes the memoirs that are the bulk of the story.

The line "who gave the boy a gun" is not in the book, or the poem inspiring the book. That is a line from Axl, wondering, as I have, how Mark David Chapman could interpret the book "Catcher in the Rye" as an inspiration to kill John Lennon. It is also a damnation to the person who provided Chapman his gun, even if there was no direct link.

The character, Holden Caulfield singular fails at most any act requiring concentration and focus, except for writing. But the story starts nowhere and ends nowhere, with a lot of nowheres in between, with no detectable maturation or growth in Holden, save for what I see as is one moment to step out of his self-absorbed world to protect his sister, and maybe a hope that he may one day find purpose.
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Re: CATCHER IN THE RYE - Official Thread!
« Reply #112 on: April 21, 2009, 02:21:17 AM »
Thank you very much for that response ronws, i think your a genious and this makes perfect sense, i have read now up to chapter 15 in the book and haven't yet come across the "how a body took a body" line but im loving your interpritation on what this means.
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« Reply #113 on: April 21, 2009, 03:15:25 AM »
Is it just a wierd coinsadince that my nametag thingy just changed to catcher  :lol: :lol:
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Re: CATCHER IN THE RYE - Official Thread!
« Reply #114 on: April 21, 2009, 10:20:56 AM »

Axl's answer =

The # was random but the sequence is intentional.

It's a line from the book used to infer it may have helped to inspire a senseless killing.





I belive that's 1-0 to me guys :slywink:




 :lol:

Nicely played, I had forgotton that  :nod:
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Re: CATCHER IN THE RYE - Official Thread!
« Reply #115 on: April 21, 2009, 03:21:49 PM »
My advise for the guys that have doubts about Chinese Democracy songs...specially about CITR...is to read Axl's posts at cd.com, mygnrforum.com and gunsnroses.com before coming here to ask the kinda questions that have been answered.

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« Reply #116 on: April 21, 2009, 07:40:58 PM »
Is there any line in the song that is also in the book?
Iv read upto chapter 14 so far and not recognised any lines from the song?

But as for the song AMAZING i love the lines "An ordanary day , not in an ordanary way"
                                                           "Somebody set the wheels in motion"
                                                            You were the instrument, you were the one How a body took a body and gavethat boy a gun"

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the last two of your favourite lines are my faves too, especially the "you were the instrument..." line, i just love the song so much at that point.

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Re: CATCHER IN THE RYE - Official Thread!
« Reply #117 on: April 25, 2009, 12:28:19 AM »
The line that relates to the line in the song is on page 104 and it goes:

"I got closer so i could hear what he was singing. He was singing that song, 'If a body catch a body coming through the rye." He had a pretty little voice, too..."
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« Reply #118 on: April 26, 2009, 04:13:22 PM »
best song on the album.

woulda been even better with the Brian May bits intact though.

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Re: CATCHER IN THE RYE - Official Thread!
« Reply #119 on: April 27, 2009, 12:53:35 AM »
best song on the album.

woulda been even better with the Brian May bits intact though.

Brian May was not on the album, did not record tracks for the album. He and Axl Rose are friends and was invited over to see how the album was going and to offer hints and suggestions. Brian May, himself said so in an open letter for all to see. There never was a case of May recording on the album and having his tracks altered and then "leaving the band." That was all media crap to keep up the portrait of Axl Rose as a bitter Machiavelli.

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