Pedal

[gnrfreek]

so. i want to get some kind of pedal. i have no clue what i want, and i have no clue for what excactly i would like to use it.
i know i'd like to have a wah (dunno wht kind), or a zakk wylde type of screaming pedal (as far as my knowledge goes, i can get that sound with a pedal, no?)

so, basically my problem is, that i don't know what i would want to use it for, and wht kind of type of music i would be going for. could somebody help me start off with this? wht should i basically be concentrating on when getting an effects pedal? 

[[Sex_art]]

hey freek...if you buy a standard cry baby wah (i'd say they're the best wah's you can buy)
then you can add any effect onto it after, that way your not stuck with a constant screaming sound if you were to buy zacks pedal..im assuming thats what would happen...if you get a standard u can add what ever you like to it and play multiple genres!

If this is just a hobby for you and you don't need a fuck load off effects you could just look at one of those digitech multi effects! they have a built in wah pedal and looooads of build in effects!

[Forcemaster]

I definately would advise against buying a pedal just for the sake of having a pedal, you need to know exactly what you want. or chances are you'll waste your money.

So either decide you definately want one specific sound like a wah. Or do what Sex_art suggested and buy a multi effects pedal such as a boss ME-50 or the digitech and use it to see what sounds you like. The quality of effects won't be as good as in single pedals but you'll get more of an idea.

Also, what do you mean by 'zakk wylde screaming style'?

[nemo]

Also, what do you mean by 'zakk wylde screaming style'?

I get the impression he's referring to pinch harmonics, in which case dude the only real option is to learn to play pinch harmonics (although you can cheat and help yourself a little with a really crazy fuzz pedal or a whammy pedal [neither of those would be at all cheap though])

[Forcemaster]

I get the impression he's referring to pinch harmonics, in which case dude the only real option is to learn to play pinch harmonics (although you can cheat and help yourself a little with a really crazy fuzz pedal or a whammy pedal [neither of those would be at all cheap though])

Possibly, but as you say that's a technique problem more than anything else and can't be easily solved with a pedal.

[[Sex_art]]

yeah man with the digitech pedal youl get loads of stuff to play with i think its your personal best bet
if you must buy one.

but indeed the effects wont be quite as good as single units.
yet single units are about £60 each where as the digitech comes with about 150 ..i think?
so its wroth the cash if your starting.

[BP]

WEll there are many pedals for many sounds for many uses.    I guess you have to know what you want. because when you know what you want as in sound, then you can search for that sound. so finding what you want  will make you know what you want.

  I lost track of myself.

anyway I'll tell you what I want. I want my Deluxe Memory MAn    it is siting in my friends basement in another country. I sort of miss this the most    along with my 80's RATT  and Reverb.

[gnrfreek]

I definately would advise against buying a pedal just for the sake of having a pedal, you need to know exactly what

thx for everybody's comments. i don't wanna buy a pedal just for having one and wasting my money. thats not how i am, i think you could have come to that conclusion when i was looking for epi lp in good price for about half a year 

actually, the problem is i don't know excactly wht sound i wanna get, and i don't know wht i could achieve it with.

i would mainly wanna play metal (maiden + metallica) calssical and hard rock (gn'r and zeppelin kind of stuff) and i would also like to achieve some kind of a bluesish tone. this is a really wide range, i know, but i have no idea which one i want/need the most

EDIT: i took the time to go on boss and marshall site and listen to tons of samples. and this is the list of the pedals i liked:

Blues Breaker II (BB-2)
Guv'nor (GV-2 Plus)
Jackhammer (in question mark, because i think its a ittle too much metal, i'm not sure about this one yet)
DS-1 Distortion
Ds- 2 Turbo distortion
MT-2 metal zone

^wht do you guys think? which one suits better to the music i said i want to play? 

[wyldechild]

what amp do you have??? Tube or solid-state ??


with tube buy overdrive.... with solid-state I'd say... Boss Metal Zone or somekinda (heavy) metal distortion pedal 'cos with small solid-states you can get hard rockish sound without pedal and then with the pedal you can also get more metal sound if you want... and get wah you need that if you play blues + you can use it for solos too like slash or Zakk does.

and if you want overdrive then buy Dunlop MXR Wylde-OD or Boss SuperOverdrive
those are the best overdrive pedals in the world END OF FUCKING STORY


+ Chorus Pedal is also cool if you dont have chorus in your amp

[gnrfreek]

i have solid. marshall mp30dfx (i can already see the bashing coming nearer...)

i don't want as heavy sound as zakk, i had the privilage to try a zakk wah yesterday, and i didn't really like its sound either, so...

and i don't know, wht is considered better, boss or marshall. i mean with the amp that i've got now. maybe i really don't even need a distortion amp, if i can mix my sounds on the amp. maybe i'll just go for a wah, or better yet wait till i have a better amp?

[Jordan123]

hey freek...if you buy a standard cry baby wah (i'd say they're the best wah's you can buy)

i've always read they can't handle distortion 

[gnrfreek]

i've always read they can't handle distortion 

is that so? i've never read that anywhere.
though when i tried the zakk pedal, it wouldn't work with a distortion pedal on. you'd have to turn the distortion pedal off before using the way, otherwise it wouldn't work...
maybe thats what you mean? 

[Forcemaster]

i have solid. marshall mp30dfx (i can already see the bashing coming nearer...)

i don't want as heavy sound as zakk, i had the privilage to try a zakk wah yesterday, and i didn't really like its sound either, so...

and i don't know, wht is considered better, boss or marshall. i mean with the amp that i've got now. maybe i really don't even need a distortion amp, if i can mix my sounds on the amp. maybe i'll just go for a wah, or better yet wait till i have a better amp?

That's a good decision.
If not, though I hear the metal muff is a great pedal.

[gnrfreek]

That's a good decision.
If not, though I hear the metal muff is a great pedal.

the boss MT-2?

[Zladdi]

the boss MT-2?

try this

[nemo]

the boss MT-2?

Nope, Electro Harmonix

Please don't buy a Boss distortion pedal of any description, basically it's like having your shitty marshall distortion in a small box to add to your shitty marshall distortion in a bigger box

[Duffer]

i'm actually really satisfied with my MT-2, it really gets me the sound that i want that my marshall amp doesn't give me

[gnrfreek]

i'm actually really satisfied with my MT-2, it really gets me the sound that i want that my marshall amp doesn't give me

and wht amp do you have?

[wyldechild]

Nope, Electro Harmonix

Please don't buy a Boss distortion pedal of any description, basically it's like having your shitty marshall distortion in a small box to add to your shitty marshall distortion in a bigger box

 

[wyldechild]

is that so? i've never read that anywhere.
though when i tried the zakk pedal, it wouldn't work with a distortion pedal on. you'd have to turn the distortion pedal off before using the way, otherwise it wouldn't work...
maybe thats what you mean? 

then why it works when zakk uses it 

you need to put it in this order   GuiTar  Wah  Distortion  amp

and it will work like a dream... that wah is perfect piece of gear
just like Dimebags Wah Pedal

[PurpleHaze]

and if you want overdrive then buy Dunlop MXR Wylde-OD or Boss SuperOverdrive
those are the best overdrive pedals in the world END OF FUCKING STORY

There is no best anything with gear, it's all kinda subjective and even if there was, it certainly wouldn't be mass produced cheap crud like that.

If I had to say, Robert Keeley modded TS-9s seem to be the hot thing in OD pedals right now.

[gnrfreek]

There is no best anything with gear, it's all kinda subjective and even if there was, it certainly wouldn't be mass produced cheap crud like that.

If I had to say, Robert Keeley modded TS-9s seem to be the hot thing in OD pedals right now.

could you give a link where there are sound samples? i can't find any

and i havea  question: whats the difference between OverDrive and Distortion pedal? 

[PurpleHaze]

Overdrive pedals work best with tube amps, I wouldn't get one if I were you... since you have an SS amp.

[Malakian]

Stop wasting money, buy a new amp.

[Duffer]

and wht amp do you have?

Marshal MG 15DFX

it has an distortion button on it but when i used the pedal it sounded so much better to me cause you can mess around with the pedal so much that it really does make a difference.

by the way i have a epi LP standard

[BP]

Please don't buy a Boss distortion pedal of any description, basically it's like having your shitty marshall distortion in a small box to add to your shitty marshall distortion in a bigger box

Although I agree, there are a few really good boss needs.  most of them discontinued like the CS2 ? I think this is the compression sustain one but I have the cs3 (next model) -  David gilmour still uses the cs2

and the equalizer is ok.  and a few for just some nasty tricks.  Some pro's use the metal zone for color that I think works good. but the rest of the pedal's suck and are just tone suckers. oh and a couple digital delays are handy.

I like electro harmonix still but they are usually huge boxes - 

[wyldechild]

I'm sorry but Boss SD-1 rocks.... you just cant deny that zakk has one of the greatest tones in the world and you need that pedal or Wylde-od to get that tone... therefor it cant suck... you just dont know how to use it.

At least they work for me perfectly...and that's enough for me..+ that pedal costs only 50€ so it's pretty awesome

[BP]

SD-1 is ok I think too

[wyldechild]

thank you 

I know many boss pedals suck... but sd-1 is awesome 

[nemo]

Although I agree, there are a few really good boss needs.  most of them discontinued like the CS2 ? I think this is the compression sustain one but I have the cs3 (next model) -  David gilmour still uses the cs2

and the equalizer is ok.  and a few for just some nasty tricks.  Some pro's use the metal zone for color that I think works good. but the rest of the pedal's suck and are just tone suckers. oh and a couple digital delays are handy.

I like electro harmonix still but they are usually huge boxes - 

Yeah, Boss do awesome compressors, delay pedals and chorus pedals, but I always think their distortion pedals are just ugly

Anyways, I want one of these...

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/14628/a/r/e/base

Because it sounds like death and pestilence having anal sex next to a megaphone.  Then I'm gonna stick this right behind it...

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/12955

And make it all 2 Octaves lower for shits and giggles

[[Sex_art]]

has freek bought is pedal yet?

[Forcemaster]

Yeah, Boss do awesome compressors, delay pedals and chorus pedals, but I always think their distortion pedals are just ugly

Anyways, I want one of these...

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/14628/a/r/e/base

Because it sounds like death and pestilence having anal sex next to a megaphone.  Then I'm gonna stick this right behind it...

http://www.dolphinmusic.co.uk/page/shop/flypage/product_id/12955

And make it all 2 Octaves lower for shits and giggles

The Zvex fuzz factory is the coolest thing invented ever at all ever. I want one for my bass to fuzz out to the extreme.

[PurpleHaze]

I'm sorry but Boss SD-1 rocks....

It's ok. It is definately not the best OD pedal in the world you celeb endorsement whoring zombie. A stock one is nothing compared to the tons of custom modded OD pedals (including SD-1 mods).

zakk has one of the greatest tones in the world

lolz

Dude, get your tongue off of Sack Mild's scrotom please. It makes me cringe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPLtxDLSVHY

Yeah, fabulous tone.

phail

[gnrfreek]

has freek bought is pedal yet?

nah, not yet. i'm still gathering information as to wht to get.

i asked my teacher. i think i'd better of with a pedal tht switches between OD and Clean channel.
also, he is giving me one of his old pedals to try with the amp. its some kind of shit. like really shit, but at least i get a feel of wht exactly i can try to do with the amp

[wyldechild]

It's ok. It is definately not the best OD pedal in the world you celeb endorsement whoring zombie. A stock one is nothing compared to the tons of custom modded OD pedals (including SD-1 mods).

lolz

Dude, get your tongue off of Sack Mild's scrotom please. It makes me cringe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPLtxDLSVHY

Yeah, fabulous tone.

phail

think what you think...

[nemo]

The Zvex fuzz factory is the coolest thing invented ever at all ever. I want one for my bass to fuzz out to the extreme.

Damned skippy, I tried one out and honestly people in the next room would not have known it was a guitar making the noises coming out of that thing.

But uh, Freek, don't buy that pedal unless you really know what you're doing and you like the idea of making your guitar sound like something from outer space, coz it has far more completely unusable settings that just hurt your ears than useful ones.

[wyldechild]

It's ok. It is definately not the best OD pedal in the world you celeb endorsement whoring zombie. A stock one is nothing compared to the tons of custom modded OD pedals (including SD-1 mods).

lolz

Dude, get your tongue off of Sack Mild's scrotom please. It makes me cringe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPLtxDLSVHY

Yeah, fabulous tone.

phail

yeah.. his tone just sucks ass 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MTM7UNBYuS8&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=0ULEDL47wbk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JWF0H4TQbVo

[nemo]

That version of Suffering Overdue just sounds nasty.  I don't like Zakk's tone either.

And even if you do, I'm afraid that playing an SD-1 through an 15Watt DFX is still gonna sound more like a retard chewing on a turd than Zakky boy.

[wyldechild]

That version of Suffering Overdue just sounds nasty.  I don't like Zakk's tone either.

And even if you do, I'm afraid that playing an SD-1 through an 15Watt DFX is still gonna sound more like a retard chewing on a turd than Zakky boy.

that's why I said Freek should get another pedal if he doesnt have proper amp 
but people were saying that that pedal sucks... it doesnt suck...it's awesome when you have proper gear 

[gnrfreek]

im having a problem finding out wht kind of footswitch works with my amp. it says in the manual: This jack socket is for the connection of the footswitch (P801).

anyone have an idea wht footswitch i would be able to choose from? obviously they will be marshall, but i need the model number. i found none on the official site. i mean it didn't say wht works with it...

[BP]

nah, not yet. i'm still gathering information as to wht to get.

i asked my teacher. i think i'd better of with a pedal tht switches between OD and Clean channel.
also, he is giving me one of his old pedals to try with the amp. its some kind of shit. like really shit, but at least i get a feel of wht exactly i can try to do with the amp

dude please tell us what your guitar teacher gave you to try??  what does it look like .. does it have a name? model?

[gnrfreek]

dude please tell us what your guitar teacher gave you to try??  what does it look like .. does it have a name? model?

it has a name, but i won't be able to tell you untill he brings it, which will probably be on monday.
EDIT: i looked a little on google and it is this model: http://www.eonet.ne.jp/~ogie/505.jpg
Zoom 505 Guitar

[gnrfreek]

im having a problem finding out wht kind of footswitch works with my amp. it says in the manual: This jack socket is for the connection of the footswitch (P801).

anyone have an idea wht footswitch i would be able to choose from? obviously they will be marshall, but i need the model number. i found none on the official site. i mean it didn't say wht works with it...

anybody? 

[gnrfreek]

ok. i've ordered the footswitch, i'm picking it up next saturday.
regarding the pedal though, i know wht soundS i want to get with the pedal.

i would like to get 3/4 ty[es of sounds. metallica, slash and zeppelin. seeing that if i get these 3 sounds, i would be able to mix my own blues kind of sound and maybe even maiden.
anybody have any suggestion to wht to get? a friend of mine suggested DigiTech RP50, but i'd rather have an analog pedal than a digital one.