''Ethic question''

[gnrfreek]

don't you mean ethNich question? i might ebe wrong though
i don't believe in that i have a soul. i don't believe in god, i don't believe in afterlife. heaven i haven't decided yet
i believe in Rock though

[Rocket Queen]

don't you mean ethNich question? i might ebe wrong though
i don't believe in that i have a soul. i don't believe in god, i don't believe in afterlife. heaven i haven't decided yet
i believe in Rock though

Wait, arn't you jewish?

[gnrfreek]

Wait, arn't you jewish?

yes i am. but i just don't believe in god. i just cant. my parents force me to synagogue and since im a kid i cant believe in anything i cant see. i'm just like that... but they say the most religious persons are ppl who didn't believe before

[Rocket Queen]

yes i am. but i just don't believe in god. i just cant. my parents force me to synagogue and since im a kid i cant believe in anything i cant see. i'm just like that... but they say the most religious persons are ppl who didn't believe before

Stick to your guns kid. Don't let them force you into that bullshit, with a due of respect to religious people, I don't think there is any God. And you can't be jewish if you don't belive, it's their thing, to belive.

[nemo]

yes i am. but i just don't believe in god. i just cant. my parents force me to synagogue and since im a kid i cant believe in anything i cant see. i'm just like that... but they say the most religious persons are ppl who didn't believe before

so in that case do you consider Judaism a race rather than a religion?  Because if you don't believe in God then you clearly don't follow the Jewish belief system and to still consider yourself as Jewish implies that it's not merely a matter of your faith

[PurpleHaze]

with a due of respect to religious people

What respect? People who devote their lives to something that has exactly as much scientific merit as the tooth fairy have a long way to go before they earn my respect.

[Slashist]

so in that case do you consider Judaism a race rather than a religion?  Because if you don't believe in God then you clearly don't follow the Jewish belief system and to still consider yourself as Jewish implies that it's not merely a matter of your faith

Judaism is more a culture and traditions, it can have very little to do with believing in god. 

even regardless of what religion you practice, you are still jewish if your mother was jewish, even if you were raised catholic. 

[gnrfreek]

Judaism is more a culture and traditions, it can have very little to do with believing in god. 

even regardless of what religion you practice, you are still jewish if your mother was jewish, even if you were raised catholic. 

that is true. all og that. and i think thats excactly how we live here. but i have more to do with Judaism because im half israelian. sometimes i get the feeling i have to believe in god, eventough i cant....
and just cuz i dont believe in him it doesnt mean im not jewish. i still do some of the stuff that others do. so i consider myself jewish

[axlstwin]

I don't believe in souls, but I do believe in spirits. The word 'soul' implies some kind of permanent identity, a purpose, a destiny type thing...which honestly I don't believe in. I take the Buddhist view that everything, people included, is changing constantly... you are NOT the same person as you were 5 years ago... or even yesterday. However, I believe very much in spirits... of both living people, and dead. A spirit is not as rigid a word as 'soul'- to me a spirit is a living entity, a part of us just like our minds and bodies. Therefore it can be manipulated in the same way as our bodies and minds are, possibly even after our senses cease to function.


Call me young and naive, but thats my opinion.

[Rocket Queen]

I don't believe in souls, but I do believe in spirits. The word 'soul' implies some kind of permanent identity, a purpose, a destiny type thing...which honestly I don't believe in. I take the Buddhist view that everything, people included, is changing constantly... you are NOT the same person as you were 5 years ago... or even yesterday. However, I believe very much in spirits... of both living people, and dead. A spirit is not as rigid a word as 'soul'- to me a spirit is a living entity, a part of us just like our minds and bodies. Therefore it can be manipulated in the same way as our bodies and minds are, possibly even after our senses cease to function.


Call me young and naive, but thats my opinion.

That's not too dumb

[PurpleHaze]

That's not too dumb

Actually that's exactly what it is. You can't just spout shit about your deep and interesting belief in spirits when there's no evidence for it at all. It's fantasy.

I could say that my favourite underpants contain my soul and as long as I'm wearing them when I die, I will pass into the afterlife. Of course this, like that, has no basis in fact, which is why it's bullshit. 

[nemo]

well in that case any answer to this question is basically dumb because there's no proof whatsoever that anything in the human body is responsible for our individual personalities, you can't prove it's down to differing levels of neurotransmitters in peoples brains or differing levels of axiom connections in the brain or any scientific explanation, none of them actually explain it.

[PurpleHaze]

well in that case any answer to this question is basically dumb because there's no proof whatsoever that anything in the human body is responsible for our individual personalities, you can't prove it's down to differing levels of neurotransmitters in peoples brains or differing levels of axiom connections in the brain or any scientific explanation, none of them actually explain it.

Just because we don't completely understand the inner workings of the brain currently and the specific genes which govern all aspects of personality, does not mean we never will. Equally, this does not mean that we should make up fantasy to fill the gap in the mean time.

[nemo]

until you have empirical evidence to show that there isn't a soul and individual personality differences are merely down to differeing levels of certain chemicals in people's brains, claiming the existance of a soul is no more of a fantasy than the explanation you'd give.  Look at medical science's expalnations for things which we now understand, it was widely accepted as fact by the scientific community that our bodies were made up of different humours (bile, cholic etc) that affected our health, moods and personalities etc until a few hundred years ago.  People still love to reference Sigmund Freud despite the fact that we can conclusively disregard the vast majority of his work as wrong.  What's to say this isn't going to be another example of science postulating a possible theory that turns out to be completely wrong.  I'm not saying either is right, but it's foolish to dismiss one as fantasy when there is no proof to back up the other.

[PurpleHaze]

At present there's is NOTHING that suggests our personalities, thoughts and consciousness are anything other than physical, biological processes within our brain.

The responsibility does not lie with people wishing to disprove the existence of souls or spirits to disprove them, that's absurd. The responsibility lies with those who suspect they exist to prove it.

Just because you can't prove something doesn't exist, doesn't make it any more likely that it does. Do I really have to bring up the cliche celestial teapot analogy or do you have at least some brain cells?